Are you concerned about bird flu?
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Paul Watson wrote:
You pretty much have to find an infected, live bird and start sucking on its rear end to get infected. Or do some strange Satanic ritual involving bird blood.
I detect a bit of "Watson Wit" in this statement. It looks like living in Ireland is rubbing off on you. :-D If you are being witty please indicate it so as not to minimize the importance of knowing the transmission vectors of this potentially catastrophic virus. :doh: What you said about cooked birds is true, cooking kills the virus, but that is not to minimize the exposure to the cook in preparing the bird for consumption. :rolleyes:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesA processed, gutted and frozen chicken, even an infected one, from your grocery store is extremely unlikely to infect you. The main way of a human getting infected is through faecel matter. Even soap and water will kill the virus off. So as long as you don't start eating the raw meat of an infected bird you should be quite fine.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
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Actually yes, IF it hits the United States. There have not been reported cases of the bird flu in pet birds, but it could happen. I eat only free-range chicken which conditions are much better than in the big poultry farms that seem to get hit the most often so the chance of getting bird flu via food source for me is low.
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I'm sure there are some farms that provide real access to the outdoors and improved conditions, but from what I've been reading the 'free-range' label itself doesn't guarantee any kind of improved conditions.
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fat_boy wrote:
Do you like Venusian soup? I'll bet you dont know...
You are absolutely right - I don't know. However, Am I concerned about venusian soup? No, I'm not concerned about it.
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fat_boy wrote:
Do you like Venusian soup? I'll bet you dont know...
You are absolutely right - I don't know. However, Am I concerned about venusian soup? No, I'm not concerned about it.
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dan neely wrote:
it won't do any good against a disease where you goto bed healthy, and die overnight without ever waking up.
Where on earth did you hear that? Cheers, Drew.
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fat_boy wrote:
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Broken link... Personally, I dont know if Avian Flu is a threat or not, so I dont know if I am concerned or not. If I was concerned I might start mass producing ventilators, there would be a huge demand for them.
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A processed, gutted and frozen chicken, even an infected one, from your grocery store is extremely unlikely to infect you. The main way of a human getting infected is through faecel matter. Even soap and water will kill the virus off. So as long as you don't start eating the raw meat of an infected bird you should be quite fine.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
A processed, gutted and frozen chicken
X| X| X| I try not to eat "gutted frozen" anything. :~ Why would I want to? :rolleyes: I realize that it is difficult for folks like yourself, living in the industrialized world, to relate to the majority of the worlds population who exist a bit closer to their food chain. It is not uncommon to see chickens roaming around in most of the world. Not everyone goes to the freezer compartment in the local supermarket to get their nourishment. :doh: If it gives you comfort to think that your frozen, processed, chemically growth hormone induced food stuff is safer for you to eat then you are entitled to that opinion. X| It does not address the production line food preparers exposure to H5N1, but then I suppose it would be foolish on my part to expect someone who gets their nourishment from the frozen food section of a supermarket to have a social conscience? :doh: Some of us like to eat things that have been tampered with less. There is a danger that goes with that decision but it is one I am prepared to deal with. :~
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Paul Watson wrote:
A processed, gutted and frozen chicken
X| X| X| I try not to eat "gutted frozen" anything. :~ Why would I want to? :rolleyes: I realize that it is difficult for folks like yourself, living in the industrialized world, to relate to the majority of the worlds population who exist a bit closer to their food chain. It is not uncommon to see chickens roaming around in most of the world. Not everyone goes to the freezer compartment in the local supermarket to get their nourishment. :doh: If it gives you comfort to think that your frozen, processed, chemically growth hormone induced food stuff is safer for you to eat then you are entitled to that opinion. X| It does not address the production line food preparers exposure to H5N1, but then I suppose it would be foolish on my part to expect someone who gets their nourishment from the frozen food section of a supermarket to have a social conscience? :doh: Some of us like to eat things that have been tampered with less. There is a danger that goes with that decision but it is one I am prepared to deal with. :~
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmy, this bird flu case happened in a county in England. It was a factory farm and supplied supermarkets. A majority of England get their poultry from supermarkets.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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fat_boy wrote:
Do you like Venusian soup? I'll bet you dont know...
You are absolutely right - I don't know. However, Am I concerned about venusian soup? No, I'm not concerned about it.
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You should be. It is the number one cause of confusion in poorly worded polls.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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The bird what?
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This makes me think that cats are going to have a tough time soon. Imagine the scene. A bunch of sparrows surrounding a terrified cat with the birds sneezing at the cat.
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Jimmy, this bird flu case happened in a county in England. It was a factory farm and supplied supermarkets. A majority of England get their poultry from supermarkets.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
A majority of England get their poultry from supermarkets.
Even for satanic rituals? :~
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don't worry cause scientist showed that u wont be affected unless you touched the bird when it is alive. meaning if you eat the bird after cooking it there wont be any danger to you life
quiteSmart wrote:
don't worry cause scientist showed that u wont be affected unless you touched the bird when it is alive
:confused: Can you point me to the authors of this theory? :confused: I would like to see how they came to this conclusion. :~ I have never heard this stated before and suspect that exposure to infected avian excrement, regardless of if the bird is currently living or dead, is a transmission vector. X| Fortunately, for now, the transmission of H5N1 to humans is an extremely rare occurrence. :-D
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Actually yes, IF it hits the United States. There have not been reported cases of the bird flu in pet birds, but it could happen. I eat only free-range chicken which conditions are much better than in the big poultry farms that seem to get hit the most often so the chance of getting bird flu via food source for me is low.
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Bloody hell woman, if you're going to eat free range chicken at least state the obvious: It tastes far better than cheap chicken! :) Technically I think your chances of catching bird flu from either source of chicken are about zero if you cook it properly even with infected birds, but if you think free range chickens are less likely to get it I'd be surprised if it's not the other way around since it's spread from wild birds in the first place and free range chickens are much more closely in contact with wild birds than "factory" bird farms.
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Bloody hell woman, if you're going to eat free range chicken at least state the obvious: It tastes far better than cheap chicken! :) Technically I think your chances of catching bird flu from either source of chicken are about zero if you cook it properly even with infected birds, but if you think free range chickens are less likely to get it I'd be surprised if it's not the other way around since it's spread from wild birds in the first place and free range chickens are much more closely in contact with wild birds than "factory" bird farms.
John Cardinal wrote:
Technically I think your chances of catching bird flu from either source of chicken are about zero if you cook it properly even with infected birds
Technically, your chance of contracting H5N1 is very small even if you are exposed to live infected birds. The prevalence of H5N1 in poultry flocks only correlates to statistically minute cases of transmission from birds to humans. Low Frequency of Poultry-to-Human H5N1 Virus Transmission, Southern Cambodia, 2005[^]
"The primary finding of our investigations is that transmission of H5N1 viruses from infected poultry to humans appears to have been low in a rural Cambodian population with confirmed and suspected H5N1 poultry outbreaks, and where a human H5N1 case occurred during 2005." ... "Given that direct contact with poultry and poultry products was common among people in this village, a high proportion of villagers were presumably exposed to H5N1 virus.: ... "We cannot say why illness developed in 1 person when family, neighbors, and many other villagers who reported similar poultry exposures did not have any evidence of H5N1 virus infection."That is fortunate because the mortality, both avian and human, from those who contract the virus is quite high. Investigation of Avian Influenza (H5N1) Outbreak in Humans --- Thailand, 2004[^]"The H5N1 outbreak in humans in Thailand during January--March and August--October 2004 affected primarily children. Overall mortality was high (75%). During the same period, mortality among persons with human cases in Vietnam was also high (80%) (8). These data suggest that the disease has become more severe than that reported in Hong Kong in 1997, in which mortality was only 33% (2). However, availability of early aggressive treatment in Hong Kong in 1997 or mutation of the virus might explain this difference. During December 16, 2004--December 8, 2005, global mortality among persons with human cases was 29% (5)."It appears that early detection and aggressive treatment are the keys to survival. Although avian/human transmissi -
John Cardinal wrote:
Technically I think your chances of catching bird flu from either source of chicken are about zero if you cook it properly even with infected birds
Technically, your chance of contracting H5N1 is very small even if you are exposed to live infected birds. The prevalence of H5N1 in poultry flocks only correlates to statistically minute cases of transmission from birds to humans. Low Frequency of Poultry-to-Human H5N1 Virus Transmission, Southern Cambodia, 2005[^]
"The primary finding of our investigations is that transmission of H5N1 viruses from infected poultry to humans appears to have been low in a rural Cambodian population with confirmed and suspected H5N1 poultry outbreaks, and where a human H5N1 case occurred during 2005." ... "Given that direct contact with poultry and poultry products was common among people in this village, a high proportion of villagers were presumably exposed to H5N1 virus.: ... "We cannot say why illness developed in 1 person when family, neighbors, and many other villagers who reported similar poultry exposures did not have any evidence of H5N1 virus infection."That is fortunate because the mortality, both avian and human, from those who contract the virus is quite high. Investigation of Avian Influenza (H5N1) Outbreak in Humans --- Thailand, 2004[^]"The H5N1 outbreak in humans in Thailand during January--March and August--October 2004 affected primarily children. Overall mortality was high (75%). During the same period, mortality among persons with human cases in Vietnam was also high (80%) (8). These data suggest that the disease has become more severe than that reported in Hong Kong in 1997, in which mortality was only 33% (2). However, availability of early aggressive treatment in Hong Kong in 1997 or mutation of the virus might explain this difference. During December 16, 2004--December 8, 2005, global mortality among persons with human cases was 29% (5)."It appears that early detection and aggressive treatment are the keys to survival. Although avian/human transmissi -
At the moment it doesn't readily cross the species barrier, but that's subject to change in the future. The great flu pandemic of 1918-1919 was probably a bird flu. We still can't cure a virus, and while modern supportive medicine is much better than the situation ~90 years ago it won't do any good against a disease where you goto bed healthy, and die overnight without ever waking up.
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dan neely wrote:
At the moment it doesn't readily cross the species barrier
Then what's to worry about then?
