The ideal work week
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My current employer is very flexible--as long as you work a 1/2 day you do not need to take vacation time. So I can take the afternoon off (I'll be leaving today at 3pm) to go to the doctor and it's no big deal. My boss leaves early to go golfing. As long as the work gets done no one really cares. That is a HUGE difference from my last job because even though I was salaried people had a fit if you weren't in your chair at 8am to 5pm. So if I want a 'long weekend' I can leave early on Friday. We don't really take vacations so having big chunks of time off is not a big deal to us. I am saving my vacation time to go back to Australia next April.
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leckey wrote:
I am saving my vacation time to go back to Australia next April.
Make sure to look me up when you get to Sydney.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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leckey wrote:
I am saving my vacation time to go back to Australia next April.
Make sure to look me up when you get to Sydney.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
I haven't seen much of Sydney but I thought about doing a day there. I'm also thinking about trying to meet as many CPians as possible. I figure seeing you, Josh, Christian and whoever else while I'm there. Might be a few years till I get there next.
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
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I've been working from home for many years now and I don't have any structure imposed unless it's by my own self. I don't think in terms of days or weeks any more, just seasons. We've tailored our release schedules so that Fall and Winter are the busiest tapering off in spring to just the normal day to day support and maint stuff over the summer. In the winter I probably work 7 days a week average 12 hours a day. In the summer maybe one day a week or even less if the weather is particularly nice. When I used to swing an axe and run a chainsaw all day cutting cedar shake blocks we'd work in remote places and have 10 days on 4 days off. That was quite nice but led to binge spending during those 4 days of civilization before you headed back to the trailers out in the middle of no where or worse yet tents on memorable time.
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
When doing civil serevice, I had the pleasure to experiment - because I had to work every other weekend*. Most people there preferred 10-4 - 10 days work, then taking thursday and friday off. I found 7-2-3-2, taking off two days after the weekend the best, because the three-day-week flies by like a whiff! *) what a weird wording. If it were "every other" weekend, I'd never have to work this weekend, right?
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Rather than a fixed schedule, I prefer an environment that is flexible to real world needs, like visiting the bank, watching the school play, dealing with a sick pet, etc. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
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People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithWithout a doubt. There's nothing worse than being constrained by unnecessarily corporate inflexibility.
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I haven't seen much of Sydney but I thought about doing a day there. I'm also thinking about trying to meet as many CPians as possible. I figure seeing you, Josh, Christian and whoever else while I'm there. Might be a few years till I get there next.
_________________________________________ You can't fix stupid, but you can medicate crazy.
leckey wrote:
I haven't seen much of Sydney but I thought about doing a day there.
One day won't allow you to see much. I'm not actually right in Sydney, few people are, it's the CBD, I'm about 40km away in the suburbs while Josh is probably half way between me and the city. You could probably organise to see both of us at the same time. Graus is in Tassie, take you a good whoile to get down and see him.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
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Rather than a fixed schedule, I prefer an environment that is flexible to real world needs, like visiting the bank, watching the school play, dealing with a sick pet, etc. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithFinally, someone that thinks like me!!! :jig: If an assignment ends in June or July, I'll forgo finding a new job until mid-August. My kids (in grammar school) love having me home for the summer. I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
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Without a doubt. There's nothing worse than being constrained by unnecessarily corporate inflexibility.
Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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Finally, someone that thinks like me!!! :jig: If an assignment ends in June or July, I'll forgo finding a new job until mid-August. My kids (in grammar school) love having me home for the summer. I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
ednrgc wrote:
that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
Thank you for saying that. At this point in my life, I needed to hear that. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Once had a factory job where it was: 7 on - 2 off, 7 on - 2 off, 7 on - 4 off. And if the person on the next shift didn't show up, you worked 4 hours of their shift. It nearly killed me - and I was only 20. Even worse, each 7-day stint we changed shifts (8-4, 12-8, 4-12). Now, I would prefer 4 10-hour days and then 3 off, even if it's just for Spring and Summer. Schlempff
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
I'd still go for the four day work week. I'm not quite sure how we'd work that out though. Normally it goes from 8 hours/day to 10 hours/day. But in my environment we only work 37.5 hours a week. That doesn't divide by 4 very nicely. The main problem I face is that I have end users that work even into the weekends (educational organization) and I have an email system that I'm responsible for. So even when I'm not working I'm still on the job since I'm the only one handling the system. Lilith
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My current work schedule is ideal for me. I work eight 9-hour days and one 8-hour day which gives me every other Friday off.
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I work the same schedule. But because I work out in the middle of freakin nowhere and because I work through lunch (do any of us actually TAKE a lunch?) if I worked an extra 20 minutes a day, I could work 4-10s (4 10 hour days) and be off every Friday. It's fine I guess. Having to drive so far makes me want to make that drive less often. Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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joon vh. wrote:
Of course this is not really compatible with having kids... or a life...
Or being over 30. :)
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
When I worked for a tire manufacturer as a network technician, I worked 7 to 7 either nights or days, and it rotated between them. It started with 4 nights in a row, 3 days off, 3 days on, 1 1/2 off, 3 nights on, 3 days off, 4 days on, then finally a week off and it started over. It was really hard for me to handle. The 12 hour shifts were long, and trying to have a family that you actually know and have meaningful relationships with was next to impossible. X| But then again, a week off every month was nice, but it didn't last long enough. :cool: :(( I wouldn't recommend that schedule to anybody unless it was forced upon you, or you openly chose it when taking the job Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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I'd still go for the four day work week. I'm not quite sure how we'd work that out though. Normally it goes from 8 hours/day to 10 hours/day. But in my environment we only work 37.5 hours a week. That doesn't divide by 4 very nicely. The main problem I face is that I have end users that work even into the weekends (educational organization) and I have an email system that I'm responsible for. So even when I'm not working I'm still on the job since I'm the only one handling the system. Lilith
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Finally, someone that thinks like me!!! :jig: If an assignment ends in June or July, I'll forgo finding a new job until mid-August. My kids (in grammar school) love having me home for the summer. I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
ednrgc wrote:
I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
Man, may all of us fathers have the same attitude. I want that flexiblity, but don't have it now. I guess it's because I AM a father of 5 that I don't feel that I could be an independent contractor. I knew a construction contractor whose kids would pray at dinner: "...and please bless daddy to get jobs..." :((. I couldn't live like that, eventhough I would probably enjoy it.
Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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If your organization did comp time (mine does NOT X| ) then perhaps you could count the time you spent off hours doing support. Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
We have a degree of comp time but it's difficult to implement. The rest of the organization has a more or less fixed work week, beginning at 8:30AM and ending at 5:00PM on weekdays. They can have as much as an hour shift to their schedule as long as it's consistent. IT, on the other hand, is expected to be here until any emergency level problems are resolved. We can, theoretically, comp the time but when you have end users to deal with it's hard for them to understand why you get to leave in the middle of the day when they have needs. :-) So most of us seldom make up this time. At least I have the option of doing some things remotely from home. Lilith
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When I worked for a tire manufacturer as a network technician, I worked 7 to 7 either nights or days, and it rotated between them. It started with 4 nights in a row, 3 days off, 3 days on, 1 1/2 off, 3 nights on, 3 days off, 4 days on, then finally a week off and it started over. It was really hard for me to handle. The 12 hour shifts were long, and trying to have a family that you actually know and have meaningful relationships with was next to impossible. X| But then again, a week off every month was nice, but it didn't last long enough. :cool: :(( I wouldn't recommend that schedule to anybody unless it was forced upon you, or you openly chose it when taking the job Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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I really hate the concept of working only 8 or 9 hours a day. The day is ruined, face it, why not just work 14 or 15 hours, with long breaks and happy hours, and have a 4 day weekend. I work really long nights sometimes, non-IT, and it's lovely. You exhaust yourself for a couple of days, but you usually only need 1 day to recover from this. Of course this is not really compatible with having kids... or a life...
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public object moo { __get { return moo; } __set { moo = value; } }I love the 12-14 hour concept once/twice a week. That allows me to focus and get a lot done, and then stick to 6-8 the rest of the week. I think its much more efficient way for a programmer to work.