The ideal work week
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Rather than a fixed schedule, I prefer an environment that is flexible to real world needs, like visiting the bank, watching the school play, dealing with a sick pet, etc. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithWithout a doubt. There's nothing worse than being constrained by unnecessarily corporate inflexibility.
Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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I haven't seen much of Sydney but I thought about doing a day there. I'm also thinking about trying to meet as many CPians as possible. I figure seeing you, Josh, Christian and whoever else while I'm there. Might be a few years till I get there next.
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leckey wrote:
I haven't seen much of Sydney but I thought about doing a day there.
One day won't allow you to see much. I'm not actually right in Sydney, few people are, it's the CBD, I'm about 40km away in the suburbs while Josh is probably half way between me and the city. You could probably organise to see both of us at the same time. Graus is in Tassie, take you a good whoile to get down and see him.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
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Rather than a fixed schedule, I prefer an environment that is flexible to real world needs, like visiting the bank, watching the school play, dealing with a sick pet, etc. Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh SmithFinally, someone that thinks like me!!! :jig: If an assignment ends in June or July, I'll forgo finding a new job until mid-August. My kids (in grammar school) love having me home for the summer. I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
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Without a doubt. There's nothing worse than being constrained by unnecessarily corporate inflexibility.
Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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Finally, someone that thinks like me!!! :jig: If an assignment ends in June or July, I'll forgo finding a new job until mid-August. My kids (in grammar school) love having me home for the summer. I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
ednrgc wrote:
that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
Thank you for saying that. At this point in my life, I needed to hear that. :) Marc
People are just notoriously impossible. --DavidCrow
There's NO excuse for not commenting your code. -- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
People who say that they will refactor their code later to make it "good" don't understand refactoring, nor the art and craft of programming. -- Josh Smith -
Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
Once had a factory job where it was: 7 on - 2 off, 7 on - 2 off, 7 on - 4 off. And if the person on the next shift didn't show up, you worked 4 hours of their shift. It nearly killed me - and I was only 20. Even worse, each 7-day stint we changed shifts (8-4, 12-8, 4-12). Now, I would prefer 4 10-hour days and then 3 off, even if it's just for Spring and Summer. Schlempff
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
I'd still go for the four day work week. I'm not quite sure how we'd work that out though. Normally it goes from 8 hours/day to 10 hours/day. But in my environment we only work 37.5 hours a week. That doesn't divide by 4 very nicely. The main problem I face is that I have end users that work even into the weekends (educational organization) and I have an email system that I'm responsible for. So even when I'm not working I'm still on the job since I'm the only one handling the system. Lilith
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My current work schedule is ideal for me. I work eight 9-hour days and one 8-hour day which gives me every other Friday off.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
I work the same schedule. But because I work out in the middle of freakin nowhere and because I work through lunch (do any of us actually TAKE a lunch?) if I worked an extra 20 minutes a day, I could work 4-10s (4 10 hour days) and be off every Friday. It's fine I guess. Having to drive so far makes me want to make that drive less often. Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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joon vh. wrote:
Of course this is not really compatible with having kids... or a life...
Or being over 30. :)
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Do you like the "standard" work week of 5 days work, 2 days free? I would prefer 7 days work, 4 days free. Obviously it would be ideal to have 0 days work, and every day free...but that's not going to happen until I win the lotto. What would you prefer?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
When I worked for a tire manufacturer as a network technician, I worked 7 to 7 either nights or days, and it rotated between them. It started with 4 nights in a row, 3 days off, 3 days on, 1 1/2 off, 3 nights on, 3 days off, 4 days on, then finally a week off and it started over. It was really hard for me to handle. The 12 hour shifts were long, and trying to have a family that you actually know and have meaningful relationships with was next to impossible. X| But then again, a week off every month was nice, but it didn't last long enough. :cool: :(( I wouldn't recommend that schedule to anybody unless it was forced upon you, or you openly chose it when taking the job Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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I'd still go for the four day work week. I'm not quite sure how we'd work that out though. Normally it goes from 8 hours/day to 10 hours/day. But in my environment we only work 37.5 hours a week. That doesn't divide by 4 very nicely. The main problem I face is that I have end users that work even into the weekends (educational organization) and I have an email system that I'm responsible for. So even when I'm not working I'm still on the job since I'm the only one handling the system. Lilith
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Finally, someone that thinks like me!!! :jig: If an assignment ends in June or July, I'll forgo finding a new job until mid-August. My kids (in grammar school) love having me home for the summer. I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
ednrgc wrote:
I believe that family is way more important than work....that's why I'll never be financially successful, but I hope that I will be a successful father.
Man, may all of us fathers have the same attitude. I want that flexiblity, but don't have it now. I guess it's because I AM a father of 5 that I don't feel that I could be an independent contractor. I knew a construction contractor whose kids would pray at dinner: "...and please bless daddy to get jobs..." :((. I couldn't live like that, eventhough I would probably enjoy it.
Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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If your organization did comp time (mine does NOT X| ) then perhaps you could count the time you spent off hours doing support. Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
We have a degree of comp time but it's difficult to implement. The rest of the organization has a more or less fixed work week, beginning at 8:30AM and ending at 5:00PM on weekdays. They can have as much as an hour shift to their schedule as long as it's consistent. IT, on the other hand, is expected to be here until any emergency level problems are resolved. We can, theoretically, comp the time but when you have end users to deal with it's hard for them to understand why you get to leave in the middle of the day when they have needs. :-) So most of us seldom make up this time. At least I have the option of doing some things remotely from home. Lilith
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When I worked for a tire manufacturer as a network technician, I worked 7 to 7 either nights or days, and it rotated between them. It started with 4 nights in a row, 3 days off, 3 days on, 1 1/2 off, 3 nights on, 3 days off, 4 days on, then finally a week off and it started over. It was really hard for me to handle. The 12 hour shifts were long, and trying to have a family that you actually know and have meaningful relationships with was next to impossible. X| But then again, a week off every month was nice, but it didn't last long enough. :cool: :(( I wouldn't recommend that schedule to anybody unless it was forced upon you, or you openly chose it when taking the job Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert
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I really hate the concept of working only 8 or 9 hours a day. The day is ruined, face it, why not just work 14 or 15 hours, with long breaks and happy hours, and have a 4 day weekend. I work really long nights sometimes, non-IT, and it's lovely. You exhaust yourself for a couple of days, but you usually only need 1 day to recover from this. Of course this is not really compatible with having kids... or a life...
Visual Studio can't evaluate this, can you?
public object moo { __get { return moo; } __set { moo = value; } }I love the 12-14 hour concept once/twice a week. That allows me to focus and get a lot done, and then stick to 6-8 the rest of the week. I think its much more efficient way for a programmer to work.
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Chris-Kaiser wrote:
Oh if we could request such things
From Wizardry Compiled[^] (one of two fantasy novels about what happens when you put programmers in a world of magic)
"How fast do you need it?" "We need it today," Bal-Simba said. "But the need will be critical in a moon or less." "We'll try," he said finally. "We'll try like hell, but there's no way we can have a working project in that amount of time." "I understand," Bal-Simba said heavily. "Be assured that if it comes to open war we will return you and the others to your World before matters come to a head." "Thanks," Jerry said uncomfortably. "Lord, you do understand that we're working as fast as we can? There's just not much more we can do." "I do understand that and I thank you for your efforts. Meanwhile, is there anything we can do to make your job easier?" Jerry made a wry face. "I don't suppose you could come up with a forty-eight-hour day, could you?" "Would that help?" Bal-Simba asked. Jerry froze. "You mean you can come up with a forty-eight-hour day?" "No," the huge wizard said sadly. "Only a spell makes a night stretch to twice its normal length. The great wizard Oblius created it for his wedding night. It did not help him for he discovered that his reach exceeded his grasp—so to speak." He shrugged. "I do not think it would aid us for you to sleep twice as long. "Or would it?" he asked as he caught the look on Jerry's face. "Do you mean," Jerry said carefully, "that you have a spell that makes time pass half as fast?" "We do," Bal-Simba said, "but it does not mean that time actually slows down. The people inside think so, but to outsiders they seem to speed up. Besides, it only works from sunset to sunrise." Jerry whooped and pounded Bal-Simba on the back. "Fire up that spell! We just may be able to beat this sucker yet." **"People do not work at night," Bal-Simba protested. "You're not dealing with people," Jerry told him. "These are programmers, boy. Programmers!"**_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
That sounds like a fun book. I'll have to check it out.
This statement was never false.
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That sounds like a fun book. I'll have to check it out.
This statement was never false.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
That sounds like a fun book. I'll have to check it out.
free download for books 1&2 (the two best ones), 3&4 are available as a pair in one book republished, but only the 3rd would be worth having. ;) After 3 they get a bit... well, lets just say the writer likes programmers, and wants to be one, but really isn't, his enthusiasm got the better of him and he went into some left-field stories....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Throw away the idea of a 7 day week. If you could reinvent the whole system, what would you choose?
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?
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I really hate the concept of working only 8 or 9 hours a day. The day is ruined, face it, why not just work 14 or 15 hours, with long breaks and happy hours, and have a 4 day weekend. I work really long nights sometimes, non-IT, and it's lovely. You exhaust yourself for a couple of days, but you usually only need 1 day to recover from this. Of course this is not really compatible with having kids... or a life...
Visual Studio can't evaluate this, can you?
public object moo { __get { return moo; } __set { moo = value; } }I agree, it will take half a day to replan the stuff and thus is a time waste. I will prefer 3 days work, then 1 day off, then 2 days work, then 1 day off. And then work overtime twice in a month and take 1 extra day off twice a month. make sense? :)