Is it just me...
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
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Josh Smith wrote:
...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today.
well, I don't know your situation. I do have a couple of views and one question. Would it be different if you were the ONLY one selected to go? Would it be a finger to everyone else in the group? If half had been selected and half had not would it still be a finger to anyone not invited? I have gone to conventions, and I have been rejected from going. Sometimes the rejection was because I could not be replaced for a week. And in one case, I went and ended up remotely developing customer changes from Los Angeles via the wireless connection at the convention. Camped out the entire time at an outlet between rooms. All I am saying is that it can be more complicated than just selecting people to go.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Maybe just not leaving the office alone could be a reason, in case anything happens?
I'm not the lead dev on the team. The lead dev is the one going out to the conference. He wrote the system, so he knows how it works faaaar better than I do. If something goes wrong, he would be the one to fix it.
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Josh Smith wrote:
I'm not the lead dev on the team. The lead dev is the one going out to the conference. He wrote the system, so he knows how it works faaaar better than I do. If something goes wrong, he would be the one to fix it.
but that might be exactly it. You simply may be the newest so you mind the shop so that the more experienced members "can go." It may be nothing specific to you, just that you are the newest.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Matt Newman wrote:
Well, think of it this way. They figured your time wasn't worth wasting... and by the looks of it, it would be wasted.
I know what you mean, but that's a justification for them excluding me. I'm more concerned about how they treat me than the contents of the conference.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Josh Smith wrote:
I know what you mean, but that's a justification for them excluding me. I'm more concerned about how they treat me than the contents of the conference.
Be careful about assumptions like this, they may not realize how you feel like you are being treated.
-Matt Newman
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Josh Smith wrote:
I'm not the lead dev on the team. The lead dev is the one going out to the conference. He wrote the system, so he knows how it works faaaar better than I do. If something goes wrong, he would be the one to fix it.
but that might be exactly it. You simply may be the newest so you mind the shop so that the more experienced members "can go." It may be nothing specific to you, just that you are the newest.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
You simply may be the newest so you mind the shop so that the more experienced members "can go."
I hear you, but "minding the shop" on my project does not really matter much. If something needs to be fixed we have to create a new version of the app, which must be QA tested, pushed out to users, etc. My job does not involve putting out fires (with rare exceptions).
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
really? do you get invited to other events - such as lunches etc with your workmates? bryce
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
You're too important to leave the office for a day ;)
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You're too important to leave the office for a day ;)
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Ashley van Gerven wrote:
You're too important to leave the office for a day
:laugh: Yeah right...
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
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really? do you get invited to other events - such as lunches etc with your workmates? bryce
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bryce wrote:
do you get invited to other events - such as lunches etc with your workmates?
Most of the people in my group (workmates) go to lunch alone. I'm not an outcast in the group, just the relatively new guy (~6 months). But that shouldn't affect my manager's decision to invite me to a professional conference.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
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Maximilien wrote:
Don't let the situation stand, go see your "boss" and ask him about it.
I did. He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
:( mmhh... weird...
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Ashley van Gerven wrote:
You're too important to leave the office for a day
:laugh: Yeah right...
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
It probably won't make you feel any better, but I have been working with/for one of my clients for 3.5 years - onsite - with days ranging from 2 days per week to 5 days per week, averaging around 3. I don't even get invited to the Christmas Party... work THAT one out...
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Maximilien wrote:
Don't let the situation stand, go see your "boss" and ask him about it.
I did. He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Lounge thread is getting entangled. let's see if this posts correctly...
Josh Smith wrote:
He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
That is rather crass, IMO. He should be more sensitive. My visual impression of this guy is a lumbering, cigar smoking ex-quarterback gone to fat. Marc
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
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Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
:laugh:
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
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The convention[^] is about technologies which have no direct bearing on what I work on, but another person in the group is in the same situation as I am, and he was invited. This seems like a very odd thing for management to do. It's like they're giving me the middle finger.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Your post reminds me that about one year ago I was treated in the same way. Many just-on-board engineers were sent to attend trainings except me. At that time, I even talked with the manager but I was still refused. The reason was very silly: The training was not important and I can learn the same thing from my project manager :doh:
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Maybe you are just too smart to need any more conferencing? Vote 5 if Josh is already too smart! :) - Phil
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
"Hello Manager, do you have a few moments? I'd like to ask if there is a specific reason that I've not been invited to attend event xyz?" That'll probably get you further than asking the same question here. And the answer will probably tell you if you want to look for another position.
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"Hello Manager, do you have a few moments? I'd like to ask if there is a specific reason that I've not been invited to attend event xyz?" That'll probably get you further than asking the same question here. And the answer will probably tell you if you want to look for another position.
He went down that path, and the manager laughed in his face and wandered off...
------------------------------------------- Damian - Insert snappy one-liner here.
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Maybe they are just trying to make sure you'll stay enough time at the company before spending too much on you.
I edited that post shortly after writing it. I started the job about 6 months ago. That's long enough to warrant sending me to a conference, in my opinion.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Josh Smith wrote:
I edited that post shortly after writing it. I started the job about 6 months ago. That's long enough to warrant sending me to a conference, in my opinion.
6 months isn't that long. Don't get too worked up over this, you certainly don't want to get the reputation of not being a team player. You don't know why certain decisions where made, maybe they had to miss the last conference, maybe they have a policy requiring an employee be with the company longer. Maybe they could only afford to send a couple and they had senority. I think anyone recommend you look for a new job with a single instance is giving you terrible advice. My advice is to play it cool and don't let it get to you.
-Matt Newman
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Your post reminds me that about one year ago I was treated in the same way. Many just-on-board engineers were sent to attend trainings except me. At that time, I even talked with the manager but I was still refused. The reason was very silly: The training was not important and I can learn the same thing from my project manager :doh:
code_discuss wrote:
The reason was very silly: The training was not important and I can learn the same thing from my project manager
This proves that managers usually don't speak the truth or they are really silly. :~
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Maximilien wrote:
Don't let the situation stand, go see your "boss" and ask him about it.
I did. He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Josh Smith wrote:
He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
Wow, just the disrespect there would motivate me to find a new job. From the articles you've written and your blog it is easy to see that you are a talented developer, you shouldn't have much difficulty finding a good job in this market. A good friend of mine just took a job as a VP at large Fin. Firm in NYC. I am not sure if his group will be doing .net development (He's the guy who wrote the Mongrel web server) or any hiring but I'd gladly drop him a line for you.
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