Is it just me...
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really? do you get invited to other events - such as lunches etc with your workmates? bryce
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bryce wrote:
do you get invited to other events - such as lunches etc with your workmates?
Most of the people in my group (workmates) go to lunch alone. I'm not an outcast in the group, just the relatively new guy (~6 months). But that shouldn't affect my manager's decision to invite me to a professional conference.
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Maximilien wrote:
Don't let the situation stand, go see your "boss" and ask him about it.
I did. He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
:( mmhh... weird...
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Ashley van Gerven wrote:
You're too important to leave the office for a day
:laugh: Yeah right...
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
It probably won't make you feel any better, but I have been working with/for one of my clients for 3.5 years - onsite - with days ranging from 2 days per week to 5 days per week, averaging around 3. I don't even get invited to the Christmas Party... work THAT one out...
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Maximilien wrote:
Don't let the situation stand, go see your "boss" and ask him about it.
I did. He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Lounge thread is getting entangled. let's see if this posts correctly...
Josh Smith wrote:
He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
That is rather crass, IMO. He should be more sensitive. My visual impression of this guy is a lumbering, cigar smoking ex-quarterback gone to fat. Marc
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
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Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
:laugh:
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
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The convention[^] is about technologies which have no direct bearing on what I work on, but another person in the group is in the same situation as I am, and he was invited. This seems like a very odd thing for management to do. It's like they're giving me the middle finger.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Your post reminds me that about one year ago I was treated in the same way. Many just-on-board engineers were sent to attend trainings except me. At that time, I even talked with the manager but I was still refused. The reason was very silly: The training was not important and I can learn the same thing from my project manager :doh:
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Maybe you are just too smart to need any more conferencing? Vote 5 if Josh is already too smart! :) - Phil
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
"Hello Manager, do you have a few moments? I'd like to ask if there is a specific reason that I've not been invited to attend event xyz?" That'll probably get you further than asking the same question here. And the answer will probably tell you if you want to look for another position.
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"Hello Manager, do you have a few moments? I'd like to ask if there is a specific reason that I've not been invited to attend event xyz?" That'll probably get you further than asking the same question here. And the answer will probably tell you if you want to look for another position.
He went down that path, and the manager laughed in his face and wandered off...
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Luis Alonso Ramos wrote:
Maybe they are just trying to make sure you'll stay enough time at the company before spending too much on you.
I edited that post shortly after writing it. I started the job about 6 months ago. That's long enough to warrant sending me to a conference, in my opinion.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Josh Smith wrote:
I edited that post shortly after writing it. I started the job about 6 months ago. That's long enough to warrant sending me to a conference, in my opinion.
6 months isn't that long. Don't get too worked up over this, you certainly don't want to get the reputation of not being a team player. You don't know why certain decisions where made, maybe they had to miss the last conference, maybe they have a policy requiring an employee be with the company longer. Maybe they could only afford to send a couple and they had senority. I think anyone recommend you look for a new job with a single instance is giving you terrible advice. My advice is to play it cool and don't let it get to you.
-Matt Newman
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Your post reminds me that about one year ago I was treated in the same way. Many just-on-board engineers were sent to attend trainings except me. At that time, I even talked with the manager but I was still refused. The reason was very silly: The training was not important and I can learn the same thing from my project manager :doh:
code_discuss wrote:
The reason was very silly: The training was not important and I can learn the same thing from my project manager
This proves that managers usually don't speak the truth or they are really silly. :~
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Maximilien wrote:
Don't let the situation stand, go see your "boss" and ask him about it.
I did. He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Josh Smith wrote:
He blew it off as he "laughed" about it and walked away.
Wow, just the disrespect there would motivate me to find a new job. From the articles you've written and your blog it is easy to see that you are a talented developer, you shouldn't have much difficulty finding a good job in this market. A good friend of mine just took a job as a VP at large Fin. Firm in NYC. I am not sure if his group will be doing .net development (He's the guy who wrote the Mongrel web server) or any hiring but I'd gladly drop him a line for you.
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Don't worry about it. If they actually plan on throwing you out (which I doubt thats true, but I don't know) then it will be their loss and they will suffer the consequences from their stupid decision.
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Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Maybe there'll be a lot of drinkin' and whorin' and they thought you wouldn't be interested.
Why wouldn't he? If he didn't want to participate he could still watch his own coworkers act crazy and learn new and interesting things about them.
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
We don't have conferences for where I work, but I definately feel invisible. There are four people in our group, two of which were on vacation yesterday. The new guy is Larry. One of the Chatty Cathy's came up and commented how Larry was all by himself for the day with no one to pick on. Then today she talked about how the three guys in my group were the only guys she invited to her open house.
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
Josh, It could be something as simple as this conference was planned and paid for before you came there. When I first started my job (within the first 5 or 5 months) the other members of the team were gone for 3 days to a conference and I wasn't there, come to find out the arrangements were made long before I got there and there wasn't really much time/reason to pay extra for a single new developer (the earlier you book & pay the cheaper it is)
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We don't have conferences for where I work, but I definately feel invisible. There are four people in our group, two of which were on vacation yesterday. The new guy is Larry. One of the Chatty Cathy's came up and commented how Larry was all by himself for the day with no one to pick on. Then today she talked about how the three guys in my group were the only guys she invited to her open house.
______________________ stuff + cats = awesome
Chatty Cathy didn't invite you to the "open house"? That seems pretty rude. (I assume "open house" means party). P.S. Love your office commentary! Sounds a bit like my office.
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We don't have conferences for where I work, but I definately feel invisible. There are four people in our group, two of which were on vacation yesterday. The new guy is Larry. One of the Chatty Cathy's came up and commented how Larry was all by himself for the day with no one to pick on. Then today she talked about how the three guys in my group were the only guys she invited to her open house.
______________________ stuff + cats = awesome
Maybe "Chatty Cathy" prefers the company of blokes, not girls... But yeah, sux when that happens...
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...or does something seem 'off' when everyone in your group at work is invited to attend a three day developer conference except for you? That's the situation I found myself in today. :|
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it. - Michelangelo (1475-1564)
No it's not just you, being excluded from a social event in a small group like that without explanation is either sheer stupidity and ham handedness on the part of the manager or they are being a dick on purpose. Only one way to find out though and you know what it is.
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