How do I get paid more?
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Close, but no cigar. You get paid more by showing someone why it's in their best interest to do so. Sounds like the same thing, but it's actually quite different.
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I don't smoke... So, a monetary benefit (worth) to the company isn't always in it's best interest?
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160 Million to leave your job For real, I only need 10% of that. Only for one year, then I can retire.
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It seems that rich people lead rich lives. Perhaps the effect is the cause? If you spend a few million monthly perhaps your income will balance?
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160 Million to leave your job For real, I only need 10% of that. Only for one year, then I can retire.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
"Merril Lynch on Tuesday boosted Stan O’Neal’s departure package by almost $90m -- taking it to $160m -- by letting him retire as chairman and chief executive rather than sacking him." I'd happily be sacked for ninety million. Maybe even less. BDF
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I don't smoke... So, a monetary benefit (worth) to the company isn't always in it's best interest?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
How about a bubble gum cigar, then? :) Typcially, benefit / worth alone isn't enough to improve your compensation. Companies are always looking for value, without a doubt. However, just because you're worth more doesn't mean you'll actually get it. On the contrary, they're motivated to do just the opposite. If they can get your worth for 10 cents on the dollar, then that's even more of a benefit to them. Consequently, that's their mental starting point. Without a doubt, if you're worth more that gives you more bargaining power. However, in order to translate that into a personal benefit, you must still master the art of bargaining. Worth alone is only half the battle.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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How about a bubble gum cigar, then? :) Typcially, benefit / worth alone isn't enough to improve your compensation. Companies are always looking for value, without a doubt. However, just because you're worth more doesn't mean you'll actually get it. On the contrary, they're motivated to do just the opposite. If they can get your worth for 10 cents on the dollar, then that's even more of a benefit to them. Consequently, that's their mental starting point. Without a doubt, if you're worth more that gives you more bargaining power. However, in order to translate that into a personal benefit, you must still master the art of bargaining. Worth alone is only half the battle.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
I can agree with that. My most effective bargaining tool has been to wave a job offer under my boss's nose. It's not so much an "art" as it is a club. It can't be a bluff however, you have to be prepared for them to call it.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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160 Million to leave your job For real, I only need 10% of that. Only for one year, then I can retire.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
Everytime I see these fantasy sums, I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money.
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I can agree with that. My most effective bargaining tool has been to wave a job offer under my boss's nose. It's not so much an "art" as it is a club. It can't be a bluff however, you have to be prepared for them to call it.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
That's an extremely solid tactic, provided people heed your advice about not bluffing.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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I stand corrected edited. :) Of course, that's the only level that matters. If you can't convince them to pay more, they won't. Companies are always looking for people who will accept less than what they're worth. As exhibit A, I offer the outsourcing of the IT industry.
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
Right, so what you're saying here, if I'm understanding you ... get pictures of someone in power that has lots and lots of money, and then explain why it's in their best interest to pay you more. Got it. :rolleyes:
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Right, so what you're saying here, if I'm understanding you ... get pictures of someone in power that has lots and lots of money, and then explain why it's in their best interest to pay you more. Got it. :rolleyes:
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Bad Astronomy |VCF|wxWidgets|WTL:laugh: I'm impressed that you could illustrate that scenario and still keep it kid sister friendly. :-D
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Everytime I see these fantasy sums, I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money.
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Of course they are, it's the finance industry, the very heart of capitalism; they are getting paid exactly what hard core capitalists think they're worth. You can't get a much more accurate assesment than that.
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Everytime I see these fantasy sums, I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money
no one is, not even pro sports player...
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Everytime I see these fantasy sums, I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Everytime I see these fantasy sums, I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money.
Much of that worth comes from their skills at underpaying and overworking workers. Good thing to remember when you're spending late nights updating your own (technical) skills.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money
no one is, not even pro sports player...
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Except me.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money
no one is, not even pro sports player...
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
no one is, not even pro sports player...
I'd say that if you can convince somebody to pay you that much you are 100% worth it.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
no one is, not even pro sports player...
I'd say that if you can convince somebody to pay you that much you are 100% worth it.
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Chris Austin wrote:
if you can convince somebody to pay you that much you are 100% worth it
I suppose, but the trick is trying to get paid what you're actually worth, I haven't figured that one out yet?
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Of course they are, it's the finance industry, the very heart of capitalism; they are getting paid exactly what hard core capitalists think they're worth. You can't get a much more accurate assesment than that.
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I guess I'm saying that these hardcore capitalists have lost their senses. There is nothing wrong with being wealthy, but at some point, it's just pointless. If you have 1 billion, or 10 billion - would it matter?
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I guess I'm saying that these hardcore capitalists have lost their senses. There is nothing wrong with being wealthy, but at some point, it's just pointless. If you have 1 billion, or 10 billion - would it matter?
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You misunderstand, what you are saying is the equivalent of saying to a programmer that at some point they've written enough code and there is no point in writing more. Money is their equivalent of source code.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
I start to wonder if these people really are worth all that much money
no one is, not even pro sports player...
[Insert Witty Sig Here]
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"Merril Lynch on Tuesday boosted Stan O’Neal’s departure package by almost $90m -- taking it to $160m -- by letting him retire as chairman and chief executive rather than sacking him." I'd happily be sacked for ninety million. Maybe even less. BDF
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160 Million to leave your job For real, I only need 10% of that. Only for one year, then I can retire.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
move to switzerland... they are the highest payed IT ppl in the world where as Aus got in 10th :(
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