9-17 attitude
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
This is an interesting question. Realistically, people who work really long hours tend to do no more work than people who work the 9-5. Just because you are in the building for 20 hours a day doesn't mean you are doing work all that time. There's the time spent phoning your friends, surfing, doing personal email, gossiping by the watercooler (yes girls even the Diet Coke break). I'd rather have somebody who was productive for 8 hours and then went home than somebody who's in for 14 hours, but only does 2 hours real work.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I completely agree. I don't mind working extra hours *if* I think they are justified i.e. something unexpectedly went wrong or the client really needs a very important bug fixing. What I do mind is when businesses think that you should automatically work extra hours, especially if it's due to bad planning or they think *every* bug is very important. If they want me to work extra that much then they can pay me extra ... otherwise cyall tomorrow, I'm going home for some me time. I love my work, if I wasn't programming for a living then I would be doing it a lot at home, but that doesn't mean I want to spend every waking hour doing it. The place I currently work at I actually leave 5 mins early every day, I do that because it means I can catch an earlier train and gain an extra half an hour for my evening. Thankfully the people I work for completely understand that the extra 30 mins does actually make a difference and they also know that when needed I'll stay late, or even work on a weekend if absolutely necessary.
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9-17? No way, Jose. I work 7-16(4PM) and after that I can go back to my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet...
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet
Nice! your all hobbies lie in the domain of programming.
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
In at 9.00 am, Out at 5.30pm, one hour for lunch monday to friday, 28 Paid days off a year plus first three sick days. I live 500 yards from where I work so home for lunch. Life is good!
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Pawel Krakowiak wrote:
t seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Having a girlfriend can make all the difference in the world. Also if you work with her, you will look forward to going to work everyday and might even enjoy your time at work.
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17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
Richard Jones wrote:
17 = 5pm in 24hr time.
Ah. I didn't even think of that! Slow brain today. Marc
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
I don't know, I kinda drifted from the time when I used to work 12-14 hour shifts during the weekdays and I'd pop in during the weekends. But this was back in the day. Now, I do my 8-17|18 and then I go and actually live my life. I could argue that back then when I was still a fresh grad, and although I was better than my peers, my work input was only a bit less than those more experienced than I was. I guess one day I realized that I have life and so I decided to live it. I will pull extra working hours if I have to get the job done.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib
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There are times when the 24 hour clock doesn't really cut it. Somehow, I can't hear Dolly Parton singing: "Working 9 til 17. What a way to make a living." Plus, 7-11 sounds better than 7-23.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Oh I agree. 9-5 is a common term, and most people understand it. 24 hour time should only be used for precise event timing to eliminate confusion.
"Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit..." "There is no one who loves pain itself, who seeks after it and wants to have it, simply because it is pain..."
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Working for a global company I find that some areas seem to think work IS life. Work to me pays bills, gives me spending money and interferes in my ordinary life. :)
I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
Baconbutty wrote:
Work to me pays bills, gives me spending money...
What's the point of earning a lot of money if you don't have time to spend it and enjoy life?
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
my other activities and hobbies, such as programming, reading programming books, discussing programming topics on the internet
Nice! your all hobbies lie in the domain of programming.
Best Regards, Mushq Mushtaque Ahmed Nizamani Software Engineer Ultimus Pakistan
Mushq wrote:
your all hobbies lie in the domain of programming.
That was really a joke :)
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I think there is a difference between people who say "9 to 5 bub and not a second more." That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Paul Watson wrote:
That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
What if they have a train to catch?
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
Pawel Krakowiak wrote:
something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding
Not a thing wrong. Too much time spent working eventually results in less-productivity. The occasional bout of OT is fine, and even expected, but there has to be a recovery period afterward. I had one case where myself and the hardware engineer put in 3 weeks of 55 hours prepping for an overseas installation, traveled (9 hrs in a plane), did the installation in 4 days, then returned. After we got back, we were both at work for the next few days, but neither of us did anything productive. The view out office windows was very nice :) I have some of my best revelations about problems I'm trying to solve at work while puttering around with my horse. It's amazing the things your subconscious can come up with when you're not watching it. Judy
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Paul Watson wrote:
That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
What if they have a train to catch?
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
You must be a government employee. On the other hand you are probably more in tuned to new developments in the field and are better apt to apply them.
MrPlankton
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Paul Watson wrote:
That is what annoys me, people who literally stand-up at 5pm in the middle of a line of code and just walk out.
What if they have a train to catch?
Use some common sense.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Geez. I often am wondering whether I am "a true developer" because I don't like to spend my whole time sitting in front of computer developing software. I like to read a book, talk with somebody, go out, play computer and console games, surf the Internet. When I am not pressed I tend to have a 9-17 (9-18, really) attitude. I was wondering whether it was something wrong with me that I don't like to sit 16hrs coding. And yes, I LIKE my job, I love software development. There are just some other interesting things in the world which don't mean work. Reading what people write nowadays, that 9-17 people are a relict of the past I get upset - it seems like work=life, where are the other activities? Don't they have a hobby? I am perfectly fine to work long hours, but there must be a reason.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak
When I enjoy my work, I tend to work longer hours, but I am a contractor, and bill for those hours. While I understand that the United States leads the world in productivity, I think this is because employees let companies take advantage of them. I have been told by perm people that they dont have enough time to do their work, so they work longer hours. WAIT! WHO gave them that work, and why do they have so much? There is a saying that I am very fond of: Lack of planning on your part does NOT constitute an emergency on mine. I learned a long time ago that if I work a full day (7:00 -> 16:00) then go home and relax, and do that again the next day, I still get my work done. The difference is that I dont take on as much, and push off what I dont have time to do. I dont live to work... I work to live. peace BobP
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This is an interesting question. Realistically, people who work really long hours tend to do no more work than people who work the 9-5. Just because you are in the building for 20 hours a day doesn't mean you are doing work all that time. There's the time spent phoning your friends, surfing, doing personal email, gossiping by the watercooler (yes girls even the Diet Coke break). I'd rather have somebody who was productive for 8 hours and then went home than somebody who's in for 14 hours, but only does 2 hours real work.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
So I take it you'd rather have somebody else than yourself. That doesn't browse CP during working hours. ;) Seriously now, you can put in 20 hours of productive work, but you probably couldn't do it every day for long periods, and not do it 100% productive, but it still could equal about 16 hours of highly productive time. I know that there are these types of people you mentioned but there are exceptions as well. :)
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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Took me awhile but he means 9-5 (9 to 5.) 17 == 17:00 == 5pm. Never seen anyone write it as 17 in this context before :)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Paul Watson wrote:
Never seen anyone write it as 17 in this context before
Yeah, that threw me at first, too. Had he written it correctly as 0900-1700, it would have been obvious. Yes, all of my clocks are set to 24-hour mode.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne