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  • C Christian Graus

    Generally speaking, when someone posts something like that, it's best to assume it's a troll, it almost certainly is.

    Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

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    Justin Perez
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    Christian Graus wrote:

    Generally speaking, when someone posts something like that, it's best to assume it's a troll, it almost certainly is.

    I see. I am pretty new around here, and to forums in general. I'm not the greatest at spotting a troll, but I bet I can do it a little better now. What's the policy on dealing with trolls, just ignoring them?

    "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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      Christian Graus wrote:

      Generally speaking, when someone posts something like that, it's best to assume it's a troll, it almost certainly is.

      I see. I am pretty new around here, and to forums in general. I'm not the greatest at spotting a troll, but I bet I can do it a little better now. What's the policy on dealing with trolls, just ignoring them?

      "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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      Nish Nishant
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      Justin Perez wrote:

      What's the policy on dealing with trolls, just ignoring them?

      Mark their posts as spam/abuse :-) It's a fun thing to do when you are bored.

      Regards, Nish


      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
      My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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      • C Christian Graus

        Generally speaking, when someone posts something like that, it's best to assume it's a troll, it almost certainly is.

        Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )

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        Paul Conrad
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        Christian Graus wrote:

        it's best to assume it's a troll

        I was assuming so with the name being used.

        "The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese" - anonymous, found in Uncle John's Bathroom Reader

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        • C Colin Angus Mackay

          I've recently seen references to ALT.NET and I've searched for the term but I get a bunch of links that don't really tell me much. Does anyone know what ALT.NET is?


          Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website

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          Marc Clifton
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          Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

          I've recently seen references to ALT.NET and I've searched for the term but I get a bunch of links that don't really tell me much. Does anyone know what ALT.NET is?

          When lost, try "dot" for . As in: http://altdotnet.org/[^] We are a self-organizing, ad-hoc community of developers bound by a desire to improve ourselves, challenge assumptions, and help each other pursue excellence in the practice of software development. Our movement is new. The conversation just started. All are welcome to shape and form the dialog in blogs and lists and face-to-face gatherings both local and global. Does that tell you more than you already knew? It certainly doesn't tell me much, other than that Chris Austin seems to have hit the nail on the head. :) [edit] However, go to that URL above. There's links to a wiki, blogs, etc., that you can peruse and still walk away wondering what the heck ALT.NET actually is. [/edit] Marc

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          • C Colin Angus Mackay

            I've recently seen references to ALT.NET and I've searched for the term but I get a bunch of links that don't really tell me much. Does anyone know what ALT.NET is?


            Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website

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            Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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            Here is a writeup on ALT.NET: http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2007/05/02/are-you-alt-net.aspx[^] Going by the weblog contents, this word is coined by David Laribee.

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            • C Colin Angus Mackay

              I've recently seen references to ALT.NET and I've searched for the term but I get a bunch of links that don't really tell me much. Does anyone know what ALT.NET is?


              Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website

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              Aydin Khatamneajd
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              ALT.NET is a emerging software development movment; Members of this movement try to get out of "mainstream" .NET and Microsoft developers and use ALTernative (origin of ALT, I guess) ways of doing things. For example they may use NHibernate technology instead of using usual .NET data access components like datasets. Although it seems to be, but ALT.NET is not another Anti-Microsoft movement; ALT.NET developers just doen't limit themselves to "usual" .NET tools and SDKs which came from Microsoft, instead they try to keep their minds open and look for new technologies and practices in order to get the best out of their effort.

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              • A Aydin Khatamneajd

                ALT.NET is a emerging software development movment; Members of this movement try to get out of "mainstream" .NET and Microsoft developers and use ALTernative (origin of ALT, I guess) ways of doing things. For example they may use NHibernate technology instead of using usual .NET data access components like datasets. Although it seems to be, but ALT.NET is not another Anti-Microsoft movement; ALT.NET developers just doen't limit themselves to "usual" .NET tools and SDKs which came from Microsoft, instead they try to keep their minds open and look for new technologies and practices in order to get the best out of their effort.

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                Dario Solera
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                Aydin Pakzad wrote:

                ALT.NET developers just doen't limit themselves to "usual" .NET tools and SDKs which came from Microsoft, instead they try to keep their minds open and look for new technologies and practices in order to get the best out of their effort.

                That's probably what most of good developers do, in my opinion.

                If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                • D Dario Solera

                  Aydin Pakzad wrote:

                  ALT.NET developers just doen't limit themselves to "usual" .NET tools and SDKs which came from Microsoft, instead they try to keep their minds open and look for new technologies and practices in order to get the best out of their effort.

                  That's probably what most of good developers do, in my opinion.

                  If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                  Colin Angus Mackay
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                  Dario Solera wrote:

                  That's probably what most of good developers do, in my opinion.

                  Absolutely - I look at whats out there and pick up tools and frameworks that could be useful to me. It seems that I practice, to some extent, ALT.NET and never knew it. Thanks everyone for helping me find out what ALT.NET is.


                  Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website

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                  • N Nish Nishant

                    Justin Perez wrote:

                    What's the policy on dealing with trolls, just ignoring them?

                    Mark their posts as spam/abuse :-) It's a fun thing to do when you are bored.

                    Regards, Nish


                    Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                    My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                    Justin Perez
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                    Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                    Mark their posts as spam/abuse

                    How do you do this? I don't see a button or a link, or is it just simple voting 1 to 5 the offending post.

                    "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                    • C Colin Angus Mackay

                      Dario Solera wrote:

                      That's probably what most of good developers do, in my opinion.

                      Absolutely - I look at whats out there and pick up tools and frameworks that could be useful to me. It seems that I practice, to some extent, ALT.NET and never knew it. Thanks everyone for helping me find out what ALT.NET is.


                      Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website

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                      NormDroid
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                      Colin Angus Mackay wrote:

                      It seems that I practice, to some extent, ALT.NET and never knew

                      The same principle applies to Design Patterns, you'd be surprised how many good developers are actually using design patterns without knowing it.

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                      • J Justin Perez

                        Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                        Mark their posts as spam/abuse

                        How do you do this? I don't see a button or a link, or is it just simple voting 1 to 5 the offending post.

                        "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                        Hard to miss... lower right corner of the post... just bellow the rate.

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                        • A AlexCode

                          Hard to miss... lower right corner of the post... just bellow the rate.

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                          Justin Perez
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                          AlexCode wrote:

                          Hard to miss... lower right corner of the post... just bellow the rate.

                          It's not there. I looked everywhere, and very hardly where you said. That portion of the screen looks like this: Hard to miss... lower right corner of the post... just bellow the rate. "[Reply | Email | View Thread | PermaLink | Go to Thread Start] Rate this message: 1 2 3 4 5 (out of 5) " I wonder where it is :P Modified: I voted you a 5 to see if it would appear after I voted for a message. Also, that didn't make it appear. I feel as if I have wasted a 5 on a pathetic attempt at showing me where the spam is! :)

                          "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                          • J Justin Perez

                            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                            Mark their posts as spam/abuse

                            How do you do this? I don't see a button or a link, or is it just simple voting 1 to 5 the offending post.

                            "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                            Machaira
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                            Down in the bottom righthand corner of the message there should be a "Report as Spam or Abuse" line.

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                            • J Justin Perez

                              AlexCode wrote:

                              Hard to miss... lower right corner of the post... just bellow the rate.

                              It's not there. I looked everywhere, and very hardly where you said. That portion of the screen looks like this: Hard to miss... lower right corner of the post... just bellow the rate. "[Reply | Email | View Thread | PermaLink | Go to Thread Start] Rate this message: 1 2 3 4 5 (out of 5) " I wonder where it is :P Modified: I voted you a 5 to see if it would appear after I voted for a message. Also, that didn't make it appear. I feel as if I have wasted a 5 on a pathetic attempt at showing me where the spam is! :)

                              "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                              Here, right bellow the "1 2 3 4 5 (out of 5)" I have: Report as Spam or Abuse being "Spam" and "Abuse" links. If they're not there try contacting the support... I don't know what may be wrong

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                                Here, right bellow the "1 2 3 4 5 (out of 5)" I have: Report as Spam or Abuse being "Spam" and "Abuse" links. If they're not there try contacting the support... I don't know what may be wrong

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                                Justin Perez
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                                AlexCode wrote:

                                Here, right bellow the "1 2 3 4 5 (out of 5)" I have: Report as Spam or Abuse being "Spam" and "Abuse" links. If they're not there try contacting the support... I don't know what may be wrong

                                I tried everything I could. I looked everywhere and couldn't find it. I am going to post about this in the Bugs forum. Thanks for everyones help in this matter! :rose:

                                "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                                • J Justin Perez

                                  npclntxz.dll wrote:

                                  SCREW YOU IDIOT!

                                  What a way to introduce yourself to the community. I cannot image a better way than insulting members and yelling.

                                  "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                                  The sooner we learn about 'em the better.

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                                  • J Justin Perez

                                    AlexCode wrote:

                                    Here, right bellow the "1 2 3 4 5 (out of 5)" I have: Report as Spam or Abuse being "Spam" and "Abuse" links. If they're not there try contacting the support... I don't know what may be wrong

                                    I tried everything I could. I looked everywhere and couldn't find it. I am going to post about this in the Bugs forum. Thanks for everyones help in this matter! :rose:

                                    "If an Indian asked a programming question in the forest, would it still be urgent?" - John Simmons / outlaw programmer I get all the news I need from the weather report - Paul Simon (from "The Only Living Boy in New York")

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                                    Big Daddy Farang
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                                    Justin, It's not just you. I don't have it either. I think I've seen it before, but not lately and definitely not now. BDF

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                                    • C Colin Angus Mackay

                                      I've recently seen references to ALT.NET and I've searched for the term but I get a bunch of links that don't really tell me much. Does anyone know what ALT.NET is?


                                      Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website

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                                      Arjan Keene
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                                      Colin, Probably enough replies by now, but I can throw in a reference to a (very subjective) 'hot/not' tools list on Roy Osherove's blog (one of the bloggers in the alt.net parade): http://weblogs.asp.net/rosherove/archive/2007/06/04/alt-net-alternative-tools-and-approaches-to-mainstream-net.aspx[^] Trouble with such a movement, in my view, that it can tend to become an incrowd 'with us or against us' debating club witjout some form of moderation. On the other hand, when it gains some clout, MS will stand to notice, as indeed happened with Scott Guthrie presenting at the recently held alt.net conference. Regards, Arjan Keene

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                                      • M Machaira

                                        Down in the bottom righthand corner of the message there should be a "Report as Spam or Abuse" line.

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                                        PeteMcNamee
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                                        I don't see it either. Do you have to have certain status to see that link?

                                        Pete McNamee "True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing."

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                                        • N Nish Nishant

                                          Justin Perez wrote:

                                          What's the policy on dealing with trolls, just ignoring them?

                                          Mark their posts as spam/abuse :-) It's a fun thing to do when you are bored.

                                          Regards, Nish


                                          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                                          My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                                          GDI Lord
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                                          If I could see the spam/abuse button, guess what I would be doing to your message right now? That's just BEGGING for it... ;-)

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