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Why did you asked for his permission then? Were you planning doing this at the office or elsewhere? In any case, if it is after work, where is the need to tell your boss?
It wasn't really permission. It was more of a "we're keeping you in the loop" thing. Don't get me wrong, he's a really nice guy, but obviously he can be quite THICK. But that's my own biased opinion that is a result of disgust, astonishment and a prevalent sense of WTF?
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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If I were your boss, and you asked me for company support to use a language that we didn't use, and had no intention of using, would scream "I'm not happy here and want out, but need to brush my skills up on your time first"....perhaps that's his beef?
"Knock me down, I'll get straight back up again, I'll come back stronger than a powered up pacman" (Lilly Allen / Kaiser Chiefs)
But it wasn't on his time :( Heck, if the group formed we would have met every other Thursday work schedules permitting. :confused:
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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Thanks Marc. You can't guess how passionate I've become about this. For him to refuse to have our own group that would be working on this ON OUR OWN TIME seems SO narrow minded and short sided to me. Several times (before either one of the three I mentioned) joined the company, they had to freelance/outsource some C++ library development. Since it appears that the likelihood of this happening again is high enough, I would have expected he would have tried to set something up himself. I'm so p!ssed at the moment. Eft!
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
I can tell you from experience that you're fighting a losing battle. He's tasted the turd that is VB.Net, and he's grown to like the flavor.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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It wasn't really permission. It was more of a "we're keeping you in the loop" thing. Don't get me wrong, he's a really nice guy, but obviously he can be quite THICK. But that's my own biased opinion that is a result of disgust, astonishment and a prevalent sense of WTF?
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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I can tell you from experience that you're fighting a losing battle. He's tasted the turd that is VB.Net, and he's grown to like the flavor.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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I code using VB.net for a living and honestly, I' try my absolute best to try and stay fit using other languages that are more C-Based. This is for my own benefit frankly as there isn't much reception for it here in the company, in fact, there are only two other guys here that have an interest almost equaling mine. With this in mind, I was talking to these guys about setting up some sort of group that tries to maintain C++ fitness. I actually went to talk to the CTO about it and he completely gunned it down. Not only did he refuse it out of hand, he proclaimed and I quote "No one here likes C++, in fact, there is no use for C++ anymore." :wtf::omg::mad: I can't believe it. Obviously I'll be carrying on with my own plans, but without the support and blessing of the Company. :suss:
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
With this in mind, I was talking to these guys about setting up some sort of group that tries to maintain C++ fitness. I actually went to talk to the CTO about it and he completely gunned it down. Not only did he refuse it out of hand, he proclaimed and I quote "No one here likes C++, in fact, there is no use for C++ anymore."
You could look for user groups in your local area.
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website
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I can tell you from experience that you're fighting a losing battle. He's tasted the turd that is VB.Net, and he's grown to like the flavor.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001:laugh: That's a 5 :-D I believe what you're saying is right. I'll be taking Colin's advice to heart and to look for local groups here and if not see about setting one up with other developers who feel as strongly about this as I do.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
With this in mind, I was talking to these guys about setting up some sort of group that tries to maintain C++ fitness. I actually went to talk to the CTO about it and he completely gunned it down. Not only did he refuse it out of hand, he proclaimed and I quote "No one here likes C++, in fact, there is no use for C++ anymore."
You could look for user groups in your local area.
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website
I'll definitely do that; And if I can't find any I'll look into setting one up.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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Well maybe no use for them. There is still a lot of applications written in C/C++ and will continue for quite some time. Most Operating Systems of today are still written in ASM/C/C++ as well as many device drivers. That said though, in typical data driven business applications today, C++ is really a legacy technology and few use it. Just take a look at the job market and you will find that C++ demand is flat out dying. I used C/C++ pretty much all the time for close to two decades, but once C#/.NET came out, I had no need for C++ again. Language wars will continue forever, but what really matters is that you get involved in a marketable language (one that has plenty of jobs) and master it. Not so important which one as long as it one of the popular ones. Learning or staying up with C++ is really of little value.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Just take a look at the job market and you will find that C++ demand is flat out dying.
I just did and saw that C++ demand is stronger than ever.
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Well maybe no use for them. There is still a lot of applications written in C/C++ and will continue for quite some time. Most Operating Systems of today are still written in ASM/C/C++ as well as many device drivers. That said though, in typical data driven business applications today, C++ is really a legacy technology and few use it. Just take a look at the job market and you will find that C++ demand is flat out dying. I used C/C++ pretty much all the time for close to two decades, but once C#/.NET came out, I had no need for C++ again. Language wars will continue forever, but what really matters is that you get involved in a marketable language (one that has plenty of jobs) and master it. Not so important which one as long as it one of the popular ones. Learning or staying up with C++ is really of little value.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Learning or staying up with C++ is really of little value.
Right, unless your a major software vendor, like Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alias|Wavefront, Lightwave, ToonBoom, Autodesk, NewTek, Borland, Google, Apple, and countless other CAD, graphics, Word processor/office suite, developer tools, and thousands of other software products out there. None of them are being written in .Net. And lets not eve start with the embedded market. My understanding is that most of these devices use C++ for the whole application stack, from the OS to the end-user layer*. Not all software is a "typical data driven business application". I don't know why people keep trying to paint this picture, or give the impression that it is. *Sadly some of these C++ frameworks that they use are sucky, but from what I've seen they aren't very good because they were poorly designed, not due to any language constraints.
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I code using VB.net for a living and honestly, I' try my absolute best to try and stay fit using other languages that are more C-Based. This is for my own benefit frankly as there isn't much reception for it here in the company, in fact, there are only two other guys here that have an interest almost equaling mine. With this in mind, I was talking to these guys about setting up some sort of group that tries to maintain C++ fitness. I actually went to talk to the CTO about it and he completely gunned it down. Not only did he refuse it out of hand, he proclaimed and I quote "No one here likes C++, in fact, there is no use for C++ anymore." :wtf::omg::mad: I can't believe it. Obviously I'll be carrying on with my own plans, but without the support and blessing of the Company. :suss:
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
Do you ask your company if you can watch TV on the weekend? Why would you ask your company what you can do on your spare time? If you didn't want to do it on their clock or space, why did you bother asking?
Mike Lasseter
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It wasn't really permission. It was more of a "we're keeping you in the loop" thing. Don't get me wrong, he's a really nice guy, but obviously he can be quite THICK. But that's my own biased opinion that is a result of disgust, astonishment and a prevalent sense of WTF?
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
Ah. Ok. Sounds like a man who should be well outside the loop then... (Or possibly inside it, with it contracting around him)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Just take a look at the job market and you will find that C++ demand is flat out dying.
Really? I wouldn't say dying, in decline maybe, but not dying. I am looking for jobs in Canada and the US (home for me is Edmonton, Alberta) and though the demand for them is less than before its not exactly dead (or dying) IMO. As is, I'm staying here in the Middle East until I finish my Masters Degree and then I'll be heading back to Canada or so my plans are at the moment.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
Last time I was looking around Edmonton for jobs there was only one place that used VB a lot and they were working on phasing it out as soon as possible. If you were still in Edmonton I wouldn't mind setting up a group to try and further C++ skills also, I mainly work in C++ but finding interesting stuff out is always fun.
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S Smerk wrote:
People hate what they don't understand.
Is that why everyone here hates VB? :)
probably. however, I started in vb, then went to java and c++, and now c#. I love C#.
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I code using VB.net for a living and honestly, I' try my absolute best to try and stay fit using other languages that are more C-Based. This is for my own benefit frankly as there isn't much reception for it here in the company, in fact, there are only two other guys here that have an interest almost equaling mine. With this in mind, I was talking to these guys about setting up some sort of group that tries to maintain C++ fitness. I actually went to talk to the CTO about it and he completely gunned it down. Not only did he refuse it out of hand, he proclaimed and I quote "No one here likes C++, in fact, there is no use for C++ anymore." :wtf::omg::mad: I can't believe it. Obviously I'll be carrying on with my own plans, but without the support and blessing of the Company. :suss:
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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S Smerk wrote:
People hate what they don't understand.
Is that why everyone here hates VB? :)
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No. Sad to say, i actually understand idiocy. I just don't enjoy it. :rolleyes:
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Young man to Dorothy Parker: I can't bear fools! Dorothy Parker: How odd - your mother obviously could! :)
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Learning or staying up with C++ is really of little value.
Right, unless your a major software vendor, like Microsoft, Oracle, Adobe, Alias|Wavefront, Lightwave, ToonBoom, Autodesk, NewTek, Borland, Google, Apple, and countless other CAD, graphics, Word processor/office suite, developer tools, and thousands of other software products out there. None of them are being written in .Net. And lets not eve start with the embedded market. My understanding is that most of these devices use C++ for the whole application stack, from the OS to the end-user layer*. Not all software is a "typical data driven business application". I don't know why people keep trying to paint this picture, or give the impression that it is. *Sadly some of these C++ frameworks that they use are sucky, but from what I've seen they aren't very good because they were poorly designed, not due to any language constraints.
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I code using VB.net for a living and honestly, I' try my absolute best to try and stay fit using other languages that are more C-Based. This is for my own benefit frankly as there isn't much reception for it here in the company, in fact, there are only two other guys here that have an interest almost equaling mine. With this in mind, I was talking to these guys about setting up some sort of group that tries to maintain C++ fitness. I actually went to talk to the CTO about it and he completely gunned it down. Not only did he refuse it out of hand, he proclaimed and I quote "No one here likes C++, in fact, there is no use for C++ anymore." :wtf::omg::mad: I can't believe it. Obviously I'll be carrying on with my own plans, but without the support and blessing of the Company. :suss:
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
Well, I wouldn't go as far as your boss, but I would say that NEW C++ development is at an all-time low. I wrote C++ code for more than 10 years, but now it's seldom that I find a use for it. The vast majority of new development is either in .net or java (not including stuff like php and ruby or scripting languages like perl or python). Large commercial software will likely continue to be C++ for no other reason than it's harder to reverse engineer and "crack", not to mention the large amount of legacy code.
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