NEC offers official Vista downgrade product
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jgasm wrote:
well if they don't upgrade to vista...then i assume they would still retain the copies of windows XP and why would they need to dual boot if they have no need for vista?
Otherwise intelligent people fear the computers for some reason. I'll never understand it.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
I'll never understand it.
That's exactly what those otherwise intelligent people think...which is why they fear the computers.
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jgasm wrote:
ouchie for microsoft?
After investing billions of dollars into creating a new operating system, I'm sure they don't like having companies create products that help people not use it. You can't have market churn without, well, churn.
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I guess you could look at it that way... OR It could mean that this company thinks the best way to operate is on the window's platform and wants to make sure people with dual boot needs can still retain those abilities. I think engadget is putting the "eff microsoft" spin on NEC 's actions.
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Chris Austin wrote:
I'll never understand it.
That's exactly what those otherwise intelligent people think...which is why they fear the computers.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] All of life is just a big rambling blog post.
Reminds me on the thread on recursion a few days ago.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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I guess you could look at it that way... OR It could mean that this company thinks the best way to operate is on the window's platform and wants to make sure people with dual boot needs can still retain those abilities. I think engadget is putting the "eff microsoft" spin on NEC 's actions.
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jgasm wrote:
I think engadget is putting the "eff microsoft" spin on NEC 's actions.
That could be the case...
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Reminds me on the thread on recursion a few days ago.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
Reminds me on the thread on recursion a few days ago.
Have we entered into another Recursive Lounge Vortex!?!?! :omg: :~
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jgasm wrote:
ouchie for microsoft?
After investing billions of dollars into creating a new operating system, I'm sure they don't like having companies create products that help people not use it. You can't have market churn without, well, churn.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] All of life is just a big rambling blog post.
If XP was a competitors product I think MS would be losing sleep.
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If XP was a competitors product I think MS would be losing sleep.
martin_hughes wrote:
If XP was a competitors product I think MS would be losing sleep.
Based on my experience with companies roughly the size of Microsoft, each division is viewed as (and budgeted as) a separate business. Those businesses have debt to each other, create products for each other, poach talented employees from each other, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the folks at the "Vista company" are eager to bury the "XP company." Sure, at the end of the day, the Microsoft parent company profits from them all. However, I don't think that applying the name Microsoft as a blanket accurately captures their enormously complex organizational/accounting/political systems. My point is, MS does and does not want XP to live.
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martin_hughes wrote:
If XP was a competitors product I think MS would be losing sleep.
Based on my experience with companies roughly the size of Microsoft, each division is viewed as (and budgeted as) a separate business. Those businesses have debt to each other, create products for each other, poach talented employees from each other, etc. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the folks at the "Vista company" are eager to bury the "XP company." Sure, at the end of the day, the Microsoft parent company profits from them all. However, I don't think that applying the name Microsoft as a blanket accurately captures their enormously complex organizational/accounting/political systems. My point is, MS does and does not want XP to live.
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That's quite true. It does seem odd to me, however, that those who despise Vista and rail against Microsoft to its core revert to XP instead of jumping on the Linux band wagon.
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I'm sure this[^] is making many UAC-enraged people feel a little better about life. Ouchie for Microsoft!
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] All of life is just a big rambling blog post.
The Windows Vista Business and Ultimate Edition licences include downgrade rights to downgrade to XP Pro. You do have to have OEM XP media (for the correct OEM, in the case of the top OEMs, I think). That's what this £7 kit is. There's very little wrong with XP and if the problem is that people don't want something new, it's the right thing to supply. Windows Vista's biggest competitor was always going to be its predecessor. Microsoft should really be happy as long as they're still getting paid, but they want to start phasing out support for the old product. I suppose the theory is that the newer product should be cheaper to support but I don't think it's going to work out like that. I heard a rumour that Microsoft support engineers' new computers are now coming with XP installed rather than Vista, after they were all previously migrated to the new OS.
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That's quite true. It does seem odd to me, however, that those who despise Vista and rail against Microsoft to its core revert to XP instead of jumping on the Linux band wagon.
martin_hughes wrote:
instead of jumping on the Linux band wagon.
Because jumping on the Linux band wagon quickly leads you down a Vail of Tears to such a degree that you begin to pine for Windows 3.1 and Visual C++ 1.5. Any group that still has near religious discussions about whether or not to *distribute* proprietary vendor drivers*, or even plug-ins for proprietary formats, has it's collective head deeply and permanently buried up it's collective rectum. Yes, those little chunks of code that make you uber cool NVidia graphics actually usuable for X-Winblows, as opposed to resorting to all sorts of software emulation.
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Chris Austin wrote:
Reminds me on the thread on recursion a few days ago.
Have we entered into another Recursive Lounge Vortex!?!?! :omg: :~
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] All of life is just a big rambling blog post.
Wait... I Don't Understand It!!!
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I'm sure this[^] is making many UAC-enraged people feel a little better about life. Ouchie for Microsoft!
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] All of life is just a big rambling blog post.
Now all I need is someone to offer a WPF to WinForms to MFC downgrade. ;P
You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK
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Now all I need is someone to offer a WPF to WinForms to MFC downgrade. ;P
You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Now all I need is someone to offer a WPF to WinForms to MFC downgrade.
Sounds like a product that some Loungenites would be more than willing to proffer. Outlaw JS, you down?
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martin_hughes wrote:
instead of jumping on the Linux band wagon.
Because jumping on the Linux band wagon quickly leads you down a Vail of Tears to such a degree that you begin to pine for Windows 3.1 and Visual C++ 1.5. Any group that still has near religious discussions about whether or not to *distribute* proprietary vendor drivers*, or even plug-ins for proprietary formats, has it's collective head deeply and permanently buried up it's collective rectum. Yes, those little chunks of code that make you uber cool NVidia graphics actually usuable for X-Winblows, as opposed to resorting to all sorts of software emulation.
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Hail Satan...I mean, da comrade! The Linux bandwagon ist fur mich!
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ouchie for microsoft? "We do have some customers who are very happy with XP and see [no need] to move to Vista at the moment." well if they don't upgrade to vista...then i assume they would still retain the copies of windows XP and why would they need to dual boot if they have no need for vista?
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Maybe this would actually boost Vista sales, as people who are afraid to move to Vista could still keep XP while experimenting Vista. Maybe that is why the "[no need]" was quoted. It is just like me, I have [no need] to move to to Vista, but sometimes I miss when I had one, it just looks so pretty (Yet I hate it, very annoying to work with, and has the performance issues).
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That's quite true. It does seem odd to me, however, that those who despise Vista and rail against Microsoft to its core revert to XP instead of jumping on the Linux band wagon.
There are good reasons NOT to jump on the Linux bandwagon. It's a great idea in theory. I tried to do a project based on Linux to learn it. When using Linux, I felt like I was in a foreign country where no one spoke English. Things that were trivial to do in Windows required major research projects in Linux. I posted questions on Linux blogs that were unanswered. Bottom line: Jumping into Linux from windows involves some culture shock, and you will run into problems with no apparent solution. At the very least, it will cost you time to figure out the Linux way of doing things. For some things it will cost a lot of time.
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There are good reasons NOT to jump on the Linux bandwagon. It's a great idea in theory. I tried to do a project based on Linux to learn it. When using Linux, I felt like I was in a foreign country where no one spoke English. Things that were trivial to do in Windows required major research projects in Linux. I posted questions on Linux blogs that were unanswered. Bottom line: Jumping into Linux from windows involves some culture shock, and you will run into problems with no apparent solution. At the very least, it will cost you time to figure out the Linux way of doing things. For some things it will cost a lot of time.
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martin_hughes wrote:
instead of jumping on the Linux band wagon.
Because jumping on the Linux band wagon quickly leads you down a Vail of Tears to such a degree that you begin to pine for Windows 3.1 and Visual C++ 1.5. Any group that still has near religious discussions about whether or not to *distribute* proprietary vendor drivers*, or even plug-ins for proprietary formats, has it's collective head deeply and permanently buried up it's collective rectum. Yes, those little chunks of code that make you uber cool NVidia graphics actually usuable for X-Winblows, as opposed to resorting to all sorts of software emulation.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog
Jim Crafton wrote:
you begin to pine for Windows 3.1 and Visual C++ 1.5
Ah, yes. I was using VC++ 1.5 for commercial development as late as 2004. :(( In the same contract I was also using a bit of VC++ 6 and 7 and .NET 1.0, so it was a real mixture.
Kevin
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There are good reasons NOT to jump on the Linux bandwagon. It's a great idea in theory. I tried to do a project based on Linux to learn it. When using Linux, I felt like I was in a foreign country where no one spoke English. Things that were trivial to do in Windows required major research projects in Linux. I posted questions on Linux blogs that were unanswered. Bottom line: Jumping into Linux from windows involves some culture shock, and you will run into problems with no apparent solution. At the very least, it will cost you time to figure out the Linux way of doing things. For some things it will cost a lot of time.
Of course. If you have grown up in a Windows world, that's to be expected. You will see identical comments from those who have grown up in a Linux world jumping on the windows bandwagon. I grew up in a bastard world (Commodore, Apple, Atari) and moving into the windows world was very painful indeed (Windows for Workgroups anyone?). However, there is a reason why so many web servers and so many supercomputers and more recently, so many mobile devices are using Linux, and it's not just because it's free. Perhaps if you got comfortable with Linux before trying to do develop a project you would have had more success? Microsoft has done a great job of making complex systems easier to work with. Linux is playing catchup, but with distros like Ubuntu it is definitely catching up! There also seem to be a lot more cross platform apps being developed. Yesterday I was surprised how well NTFS-3g worked with my USB thumbdrive (backtrack distro), which was on a Truecrypt encrypted partition. Another example is the XMBC (Xbox Media Center) Linux port. I wonder what Microsoft will do when you can use the XMBC (which is an awesome app) on the PS3? :) Unless Microsoft maintains its stranglehold on document formats and its non-open standards (OOXML is a great example of the lengths they will go to), and can get some decent traction on the internet (Yahoo! a big bold move), I would expect them to lose market share in the long run, especially if (and I hope it doesn't happen) computers no longer become general computing devices, and instead become more specialised, e.g. Just a game console or just a web browser (with word processing, spreadsheet, etc). You might think this impossible, but most of what I used to do on the o/s 5 years ago is now handled on the web. If all you apps run on the web, then you don't need to pay for the operating system or MS office. Makes a lot of sense to tight-arse corporations too :) Finally, note how Microsoft is now starting to develop in a more Linux (or Unix) orientated approach. For example IIS 7 and Windows 7 are based on a modular rather than monolithic architecture. wow, that was a lot more than I had intended to say :-D