Wow - had to use Yahoo for searching :-)
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Yeah...I've seen the same thing in other companies. Too many layers of 'management'...if you can call it that. Out of control meeting culture and everyone wears a mask and is afraid to show any emotion, in case the Body Snatchers from Human Resources gets them. 'They get you while you sleep'...
David Lockwood wrote:
'They get you while you sleep'...
:omg:
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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You're a MS MVP, but the MSN search did not even occur to you as an option ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
The MVP program doesn't cover Marketing. :-D
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes www.PracticalUSA.com
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Google is down here (as is Gmail). For a while I was kinda wondering what to do - I mean the thought of using an alternate search website didn't even occur to me for a short while :-) Eventually I used Yahoo - only to find that Smitha had just done that too on finding Google down! Yahoo's not so bad. Though when Google's back, I am going back to Google!
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkYay! Go Yahoo search results - I find them waaaay above google's when it comes to looking for local stuff (australia). As in , real stuff like 'where is that wine from?'. My rule - google for finding technical information, localised yahoo for finding real-world stuff / local companies websites.
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I've been using AltaVista as my start page lately in an attempt to reduce my Google usage. Yahoo's start page is too tabloid, all that celebrity crap and news that you don't want to know :)
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I've been using AltaVista as my start page lately in an attempt to reduce my Google usage. Yahoo's start page is too tabloid, all that celebrity crap and news that you don't want to know :)
David Lockwood wrote:
AltaVista
Altavista had been my favorite during my college days. Also, I recall that there is a text-only version of Altavista Search called Raging Search. Have you tried it too?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
Google is down here (as is Gmail). For a while I was kinda wondering what to do - I mean the thought of using an alternate search website didn't even occur to me for a short while :-) Eventually I used Yahoo - only to find that Smitha had just done that too on finding Google down! Yahoo's not so bad. Though when Google's back, I am going back to Google!
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI like using Live search, I even use Ask sometimes but Yahoo is a bit too much. I honestly don't think Google is all the much better than Live, I just think it's so embeded in everyone's mind to use it or "Google" it. Anyway, i'm not a big fan of Gmail at all, I only use to have clients send me large files or for much of my "sign up" spam.
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David Lockwood wrote:
AltaVista
Altavista had been my favorite during my college days. Also, I recall that there is a text-only version of Altavista Search called Raging Search. Have you tried it too?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
Yahoo Search Page is quite good... Maybe you didn't used the right one ;) Take a look here : http://search.yahoo.com/[^] Have a nice Web Surfing Day without Google ;)
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Google is down here (as is Gmail). For a while I was kinda wondering what to do - I mean the thought of using an alternate search website didn't even occur to me for a short while :-) Eventually I used Yahoo - only to find that Smitha had just done that too on finding Google down! Yahoo's not so bad. Though when Google's back, I am going back to Google!
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkDid any one remembers Vivisimo? Now they are Clusty. Kind of nice interface back then with a feature nobody had: group results in a tree view kind of control. Now they are Clusty. I am sticking to Google though. Pierre Boucher "Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over." HAL9000 in 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
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Google is down here (as is Gmail). For a while I was kinda wondering what to do - I mean the thought of using an alternate search website didn't even occur to me for a short while :-) Eventually I used Yahoo - only to find that Smitha had just done that too on finding Google down! Yahoo's not so bad. Though when Google's back, I am going back to Google!
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link -
Google is down here (as is Gmail). For a while I was kinda wondering what to do - I mean the thought of using an alternate search website didn't even occur to me for a short while :-) Eventually I used Yahoo - only to find that Smitha had just done that too on finding Google down! Yahoo's not so bad. Though when Google's back, I am going back to Google!
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI haven't used it in recent memory, but MetaCrawler was always helpful.
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Google is down here (as is Gmail). For a while I was kinda wondering what to do - I mean the thought of using an alternate search website didn't even occur to me for a short while :-) Eventually I used Yahoo - only to find that Smitha had just done that too on finding Google down! Yahoo's not so bad. Though when Google's back, I am going back to Google!
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI've found on the odd occasion that dogpile(yes, its real) www.dogpile.com which is a meta search engine can come up with some useful results, and if one of the contributing search engines are down, you dont notice too much degredation of the search. Stuart
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Agreed, search results aren't as good but it gets you there. I DID always use AltaVista in the 90's...Google just seemed to come out of nowhere and everyone magically started using it exclusively. Anyway, Google is never going to have any real competition unless we make an effort to use other search engines...er, that's my thinking, anyway :) ...I was about to say that MSN was even worse than Yahoo but I just looked at Microsoft's new Live Search[^] ...not bad...gonna try it for a while...make Steve Ballmer happy ;)
David Lockwood wrote:
Google is never going to have any real competition unless we make an effort to use other search engines
If you use Firefox there are a couple of convenient ways of trying out other search engines. Try this search on[^] CustomizeGoogle[^] Or for IE... CustomizeGoogle for IE[^] Having said that I still mostly use Google! :)
Kevin
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Christian Graus wrote:
You're a MS MVP, but the MSN search did not even occur to you as an option ?
Honestly, not at first. I did think of it after I thought of Yahoo. Also do you mean Live search? Or are Msn search and Live search the same now?
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkHe means Live Search.
Kevin
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I like using Live search, I even use Ask sometimes but Yahoo is a bit too much. I honestly don't think Google is all the much better than Live, I just think it's so embeded in everyone's mind to use it or "Google" it. Anyway, i'm not a big fan of Gmail at all, I only use to have clients send me large files or for much of my "sign up" spam.
doWhileSomething wrote:
I honestly don't think Google is all the much better than Live, I just think it's so embeded in everyone's mind to use it or "Google" it.
It's the bandwagon effect. Rather like how Microsoft became dominant with Office. Except that it's technically easier to switch from Google than it is from Office. For me with Google there's also the fact that I'm enmeshed with so many complementary products that it's difficult to switch permanently. E.g., I use the functionality behind the toolbar a lot and also GMail. Competitors have to be able to replicate that to win me over.
Kevin
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David Lockwood wrote:
Google is never going to have any real competition unless we make an effort to use other search engines
If you use Firefox there are a couple of convenient ways of trying out other search engines. Try this search on[^] CustomizeGoogle[^] Or for IE... CustomizeGoogle for IE[^] Having said that I still mostly use Google! :)
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Having said that I still mostly use Google!
I know...I'm finding it hard to wean myself off it. There isn't any really good reason for that behaviour...it's just a habit. I'm using Microsoft Live as my start page now...that helps. So far, it's been finding what I'm looking for just as well as Google. Thanks for the suggestions :)
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Having said that I still mostly use Google!
I know...I'm finding it hard to wean myself off it. There isn't any really good reason for that behaviour...it's just a habit. I'm using Microsoft Live as my start page now...that helps. So far, it's been finding what I'm looking for just as well as Google. Thanks for the suggestions :)
David Lockwood wrote:
So far, it's been finding what I'm looking for just as well as Google
For me, it needs to do more than that though (as explained elsewhere in this thread). So I will be a difficult customer to wean off Google - at least on a permanent or semi-permanent basis. But most users should be convertible.
Kevin
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David Lockwood wrote:
So far, it's been finding what I'm looking for just as well as Google
For me, it needs to do more than that though (as explained elsewhere in this thread). So I will be a difficult customer to wean off Google - at least on a permanent or semi-permanent basis. But most users should be convertible.
Kevin
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
For me, it needs to do more than that though (as explained elsewhere in this thread).
...are you talking about the 'Michael Sync' stuff?...I found him in the MS Live pretty easy :)
No, I mean complementary features, e.g., auto suggest as implemented in Google Toolbar and the Google Suggest site (not sure why it's not in the main page yet). I notice Yahoo and Ask have this, but not Live. Plus all the functionality behind the Google Toolbar.
Kevin
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No, I mean complementary features, e.g., auto suggest as implemented in Google Toolbar and the Google Suggest site (not sure why it's not in the main page yet). I notice Yahoo and Ask have this, but not Live. Plus all the functionality behind the Google Toolbar.
Kevin
Ah, okay...I get you. I'm not sure I like the type-ahead suggestion stuff...kinda like putting words in my mouth, ya know? ...it's like 'no...no...no...that's not what I meant...quit nagging me' :) Now, if they invent a Quantum Search Engine that knows the answer before I even ask the question, that'll be okay :) The amount of money that Microsoft was prepared to dish out for Yahoo, they could probably build it...