C# or Java ??

[El Corazon]

rockNroll wrote:

I have got a new project which is based on image processing.

and what kind of image processing? some people have answered as if that explains everything. I see no explanation at all. Basic image processing (histogram, color shift, edge detect, etc.) or user defined image processing (advanced filtering, fractal edge detect, wavelet differencing), or even real-time image processing (image processing on live video, multi-frame blind convolution, image based object tracking). These are all image processing, but they conjure different levels of need as far as existing infrastructure in the language, and especially speed. Basic image processing is usually easy enough language is irrelevant, java has an image library you can use to help, C# can use existing dll based image libraries through the infamous pinvoke. The only question relevant is based on personnel, which do you know, which can be better supported by your staff?

rockNroll wrote:

C# or Java and why ?

why did you choose those languages? you could have chosen COBOL, or LOGO, or PL1. Are those the languages you know, the only ones you know, and you have to build this? Then perhaps, maybe this is the right question. Though if your requirements do include anything that will refer to speed, you may not be the right person for this project if that is all you know. I love the answer that skipped C++ and went straight to assembly if speed matters, by making absurd associations like that people try very hard to kill a language that refuses to die because it is still being used. All in all, you haven't given enough information to answer, anyone who says otherwise is basing their decision on their language preference only. what are your requirements? what does the user expect?

------------------ John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

[txALI]

I would say - first C++, then C#, and then Java :)

[Hamid Taebi]

It depends to you and your client,but my suggestion is C# and also c++ is good.

[Lost User]

C# is better since it is more object oriented

[yassir hannoun]

between the two C# but for image processing u should consider C++

[JasonCordes]

jsd001002 wrote:

C#,It is faster

would you mind providing empirical evidence to that extent? Having developed two 3D platforms in Java, I'm not convinced of all this slowness that people purport Java to have. Specifically, can you demonstrate what areas C# is faster in?

[JasonCordes]

As noted, the best language is likely the one you are most familiar with. Some notes, Java comes with the JAI which is a library specifically designed for Image processing. There is also a very good Java Image Processing book. Unfortunately the book was released before the JAI library so does not take advantage of it. The book is, regardless, quite good. C# has image processing libraries available from third parties. As noted in this thread, if you want a GUI interface on top, Visual Studio provides a handy WYSIWYG GUI editor. I prefer hand coding these things, so Java works better for me there. C++ has many good third party image processing libraries available. As far as speed, I think you'll find Java comparable to C++ in most respects, and good benchmarking tests and tools will make this clearly evident. The one thing I would point out, though, is that Java has a very poor implementation for their trig library and it is VERY slow. This is the only thing that would give me pause to use Java for image processing.

[Lost User]

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

did use PLAN on an ICL 1900 series, as well as COBOL and Assembler on an IBM 360.

Snap! Avoided COBOL fairly successfully for 13 years from 1963 on, and then became more of an analyst/designer.

Bob Emmett

[etkid84]

enough of the ms dependency it's a java wannabe anyway

David

[Fabio Franco]

He is probably just bloating the forum. I'd say that C# and Java perform very closely with some specific parts one is fast than the other, but nothing really significant. What is the fact is that both of them are outperformed by C++ and other unmanaged languages. Managed languages have many advantages, but some of them comes at the cost of performance like automatic garbage collection. I might be wrong but if I were to choose a language only for performance reasons I would have a hard time trying to decide on C# or JAVA. Maybe I would just flip coins.

[azonenberg]

Well, for REALLY intense image processing you will want to use assembly language. One time I wrote a raytracer for calculating the signal strength of an 802.11 network. In C++ it took around 700ms to refresh the screen with one access point. (1000x800 pixel map, 2.2 GHz dual core cpu, single-threaded renderer). Making the renderer threaded dropped the render time to around 500ms - but rewriting the inner loop in assembly language (only 19 instructions) doubled the speed to 250 ms.

[azonenberg]

I'm sure he doesn't mean write EVERYTHING in assembly. I write almost all of my code in native C++, and for really speed-critical stuff I use asm optimizations. An RF raytracer I wrote last week experienced a perceptible speed improvement just by changing a few sqrt calls to assembly. Consider the statement dist=sqrt(dsq); The code generated by this is nearly 60 instructions long: (simplified for display)

fld dsq
call sqrt
fstp dist

;Everything below this is in msvcrt.dll
sqrt:
; save stack frame and registers - about 8 instructions
call _sqrtf
; restore stack frame and registers - about 8 instructions
ret

_sqrtf:
; save stack frame and registers - about 8 instructions
call _sqrt
; restore stack frame and registers - about 8 instructions
ret

_sqrt:
; save stack frame and registers - about 8 instructions
fsqrt
; restore stack frame and registers - about 8 instructions
ret

The same exact result can be obtained by using three inline assembly instructions:

fld dsq
fsqrt
fstp dist

This is TWENTY TIMES LESS CODE than the high-level version! This is admittedly an extreme example, but it was taken directly from code I wrote last week, in an inner loop executing about 5x10^7 times per update.

modified on Tuesday, May 20, 2008 2:35 PM

[Plamen Dragiyski]

I suppose you'll done some binary conversation of an image. If you look for faster code, then write it in C# or C/C++ better (Or asm if you need critical fast code). If you look for easier code - write it to the language you know better. If you want just file conversation (but not displaying the image) I suggest you PHP.

[reshi999]

Cool, congrats on that as optimisation of code is never bad in my book ;-) Seeing the original reply just reminded me of the nightmare of my university days - One teacher insisted everything be done in assembler stacks.

[reshi999]

Later correction - have optimised the image processing down to 0.2 seconds. If you choose the C# method check out the folllowing codeproject app : http://www.codeproject.com/KB/GDI-plus/edge_detection.aspx?display=Print[^]

[Paul Watson]

Java because it will hurt those who follow you more.

regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:

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