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  • M Member 96

    Wait, you're talking about taking business payments? I thought we were talking about personal use. Our company uses ShareIt, one of the zillion or so almost identical services all bought out by Digital River so I'm guessing if you went directly to Digital River's website and perused all the various payment services they now own you might find a good match for your business. DR bought pretty much every single independant payment processor over the last 10 years or so.


    "The great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot

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    Michael Sync
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    Thanks.. I just check it... They don't have something called "Sign Up" :) I'm also not sure how to use it too... anyway, i will check-out with them..

    Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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    • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

      Paypal/eBay seems to have started some unit in Chennai, India. Just last week, while driving on the Old Mahabalipuram Road, I saw their huge office. And the employees' transportation services bus is fully airconditioned. They seem to give a princely treatment for their employees at the expense of customers. :mad:

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      Rajesh R Subramanian
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      Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

      And the employees' transportation services bus is fully airconditioned. They seem to give a princely treatment for their employees at the expense of customers. [Mad]

      What's so wrong in treating the employees good? And that is at the expense of customers? How do you say that? A customer pays them for their service and after the money is paid, it is no more the customer's money. It is paypal's money and they can do whatever they want to, with it. Taking care of the employees is a good thing IMHO.

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        Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

        And the employees' transportation services bus is fully airconditioned. They seem to give a princely treatment for their employees at the expense of customers. [Mad]

        What's so wrong in treating the employees good? And that is at the expense of customers? How do you say that? A customer pays them for their service and after the money is paid, it is no more the customer's money. It is paypal's money and they can do whatever they want to, with it. Taking care of the employees is a good thing IMHO.

        Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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        Michael Sync
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        Yes. Taking care of employees is a good thing. but taking care of customer is also a good thing, right? I'm not sure why they make customers' life harder... (link[^])

        Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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        • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

          Paypal/eBay seems to have started some unit in Chennai, India. Just last week, while driving on the Old Mahabalipuram Road, I saw their huge office. And the employees' transportation services bus is fully airconditioned. They seem to give a princely treatment for their employees at the expense of customers. :mad:

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          Michael Sync
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          Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

          They seem to give a princely treatment for their employees at the expense of customers

          haha.. yes.. I was there last a couple of years. it's pretty hard to go around without AC, isn't it? The most of buses over here have AC normally.

          Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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          • M Michael Sync

            Yes. Taking care of employees is a good thing. but taking care of customer is also a good thing, right? I'm not sure why they make customers' life harder... (link[^])

            Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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            Rajesh R Subramanian
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            Surely they must take good care of the customers too. I don't have a second thought about that. I've never used paypal and I probably won't after reading all this. But I think that taking care of the customers and taking care of the employees are not related in any way. One should simply not gripe about a company taking good care of their employees, no matter what. That was my point. :)

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            • R Rajesh R Subramanian

              Surely they must take good care of the customers too. I don't have a second thought about that. I've never used paypal and I probably won't after reading all this. But I think that taking care of the customers and taking care of the employees are not related in any way. One should simply not gripe about a company taking good care of their employees, no matter what. That was my point. :)

              Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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              Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

              One should simply not gripe about a company taking good care of their employees, no matter what. That was my point.

              yes.. agreed.. you are absolutely right about that. :P

              Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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              • M Michael Sync

                Not sure whether you guys faced the same problems like me or not. My Paypal account is moved to restricted area.. That means I can't send or receive the money.. :( I got around 1600 for my last project.. I have transfered a few but still 800 in my account.. :( now, what am I gonna do now?? I wanna withdraw my money asap. btw, I called to their support (Singapore) but they said that i need to fax some docs and need to get reviewed... and also, I have to wait for 5 to 7 business days.. :(

                Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                Dario Solera
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                That happened to me too because of some EU regulations. I just sent them a copy of my ID card and a proof of my address, and that should be enough. Still waiting for a confirmation, though. I called their phone support (Italy) and they were, for once, kind and helpful.

                If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                  That happened to me too because of some EU regulations. I just sent them a copy of my ID card and a proof of my address, and that should be enough. Still waiting for a confirmation, though. I called their phone support (Italy) and they were, for once, kind and helpful.

                  If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                  Dario Solera wrote:

                  I just sent them a copy of my ID card and a proof of my address, and that should be enough

                  How did you send? Did you fax them? or Upload the image? I read like that. >>>Send only documents received by mail (online statements cannot be accepted).

                  Dario Solera wrote:

                  I called their phone support (Italy) and they were, for once, kind and helpful.

                  They can't do anything for you, right? They can't do the faster way for you. They can't answer why your account is locked. Yes. That girl sound is sweet and kind.. but not that helpful for me.. :)

                  Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                  • M Michael Sync

                    Dario Solera wrote:

                    I just sent them a copy of my ID card and a proof of my address, and that should be enough

                    How did you send? Did you fax them? or Upload the image? I read like that. >>>Send only documents received by mail (online statements cannot be accepted).

                    Dario Solera wrote:

                    I called their phone support (Italy) and they were, for once, kind and helpful.

                    They can't do anything for you, right? They can't do the faster way for you. They can't answer why your account is locked. Yes. That girl sound is sweet and kind.. but not that helpful for me.. :)

                    Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                    Dario Solera
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                    I sent them by uploading scans of paper documents.

                    If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                      I sent them by uploading scans of paper documents.

                      If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                      RahulOP
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                      I use Plimus. Slightly more expensive but very trouble free. Their e-mail support is fantastic and i've never had to call them up.

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                      • D Dario Solera

                        I sent them by uploading scans of paper documents.

                        If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Photos/CP Flickr Group - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                        Thanks, Dario. I will try..

                        Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                          Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

                          And the employees' transportation services bus is fully airconditioned. They seem to give a princely treatment for their employees at the expense of customers. [Mad]

                          What's so wrong in treating the employees good? And that is at the expense of customers? How do you say that? A customer pays them for their service and after the money is paid, it is no more the customer's money. It is paypal's money and they can do whatever they want to, with it. Taking care of the employees is a good thing IMHO.

                          Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                          Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                          Customer First must be the mantra of any company. Any other thing should take the second or lesser priorities. If the company wants to survive, they should first learn to satisfy the customers and be grateful to them. They are the ultimate in writing the paycheck and indirectly helping out in the survival strategy of the company. It is the customer that decides whether the stone they lay for the company is going to be a foundation stone or a grave. :)

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                          • M Michael Sync

                            Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

                            They seem to give a princely treatment for their employees at the expense of customers

                            haha.. yes.. I was there last a couple of years. it's pretty hard to go around without AC, isn't it? The most of buses over here have AC normally.

                            Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                            Michael Sync wrote:

                            The most of buses over here have AC normally.

                            It is getting common now. The actual emphasis was the extravagant lavish spending on their private outfits rather than concenterating on the welfare of the customers.

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                              Michael Sync wrote:

                              The most of buses over here have AC normally.

                              It is getting common now. The actual emphasis was the extravagant lavish spending on their private outfits rather than concenterating on the welfare of the customers.

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                              A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson

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                              Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

                              It is getting common now. The actual emphasis was the extravagant lavish spending on their private outfits rather than concenterating on the welfare of the customers.

                              yes. Customer should come first.. They should probably improve their customer support...

                              Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                                Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:

                                It is getting common now. The actual emphasis was the extravagant lavish spending on their private outfits rather than concenterating on the welfare of the customers.

                                yes. Customer should come first.. They should probably improve their customer support...

                                Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                                Michael Sync
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                                Otherwise, they will lose their valuable customers... What if I open new company that provide the service like paypal but with great customer support? :) they will be upset at that time. :)

                                Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                                  Customer First must be the mantra of any company. Any other thing should take the second or lesser priorities. If the company wants to survive, they should first learn to satisfy the customers and be grateful to them. They are the ultimate in writing the paycheck and indirectly helping out in the survival strategy of the company. It is the customer that decides whether the stone they lay for the company is going to be a foundation stone or a grave. :)

                                  Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
                                  Tech Gossips
                                  A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson

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                                  Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                  Invalid argument! You work for an ISP. One day if my internet is down, can I make a comment like: "The company should not be paying their employees well. I am their customer and my internet is not working, but their employees are going by luxury cars! Their employees should live in a gutter!" Taking care of the customer is a different thing and taking care of employees is a different thing. They are just mutually exclusive. I am not supporting the argued poor service provided by paypal. But no matter what you do, you just can't make some customers happy. That doesn't mean I won't pay my employees well. Do you understand the analogy?

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                                    Invalid argument! You work for an ISP. One day if my internet is down, can I make a comment like: "The company should not be paying their employees well. I am their customer and my internet is not working, but their employees are going by luxury cars! Their employees should live in a gutter!" Taking care of the customer is a different thing and taking care of employees is a different thing. They are just mutually exclusive. I am not supporting the argued poor service provided by paypal. But no matter what you do, you just can't make some customers happy. That doesn't mean I won't pay my employees well. Do you understand the analogy?

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                                    Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                    Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                                    Do you understand the analogy?

                                    Well! Individual perceptions differ. :)

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                                      Otherwise, they will lose their valuable customers... What if I open new company that provide the service like paypal but with great customer support? :) they will be upset at that time. :)

                                      Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                                      Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                      Michael Sync wrote:

                                      like paypal but with great customer support? they will be upset at that time.

                                      They would repent them and then do a herculean task to correct themselves and rise from the ashes. :) People don't seem to understand eye-care and annual eye-checks unless and until they get an ailment there.

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                                      • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                                        Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                                        Do you understand the analogy?

                                        Well! Individual perceptions differ. :)

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                                        A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson

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                                        By reading the discussion between us, this is what I am making out. Correct me if I'm wrong: "If a company fails to satisfy a few customers, their employees should not travel by a luxury bus." Is that your perception?

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                                        • M Michael Sync

                                          Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                          Why don't you check their website?

                                          Sometimes, asking the user directly is much better than reading the doc. For example: Once upone a time, CitiBank make a promotion that allows everybody who got more SG$20K/year to apply credit cards.(normally, 60K/year) In their website, they wrote the same thing. So, One of my friend from Myanmar wanted to apply one credit card so that we went there and tried to apply.. But the stuff said that this promotion is not for people from Myanmar. Oh.. I was wondering why... at least, they should wrote like that in their site..

                                          Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)

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                                          Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                                          Michael Sync wrote:

                                          at least, they should wrote like that in their site

                                          They would have written it in font color white and size -1 with an asterisk followed by Conditions Apply. :wtf:

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