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  • R Roger Wright

    What time is the Big Event due to begin? I'm in Arizona, and I'm thinking maybe I don't need to set the alarm tonight... Last call, gents - drink up! :-D

    "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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    Bassam Abdul Baki
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    Not sure. Every second counts though before ka-boooom. :)


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    • H hairy_hats

      IIRC they are only running the first protons round the loop tomorrow, not actually colliding, so we should be OK until the weekend at least.

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      Chris Meech
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      Oh great. There goes my weekend. :)

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      • T tufkap

        Ah...so you are like Jonathan Swift? “I have ever hated all nations, professions and communities, and all my love is towards individuals .... Principally I hate and detest that animal called Man; although I heartily love John, Peter, Thomas, and so forth.” - Swift

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        El Corazon
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        tufkap wrote:

        Ah...so you are like Jonathan Swift?

        All folks who pretend to religion and grace, Allow there's a hell, but dispute of the place: But, if hell may by logical rules be defined The place of the damn'd--I'll tell you my mind. Wherever the damn'd do chiefly abound, Most certainly there is hell to be found: Damn'd poets, damn'd critics, damn'd blockheads, damn'd knaves, Damn'd senators bribed, damn'd prostitute slaves; Damn'd lawyers and judges, damn'd lords and damn'd squires; Damn'd spies and informers, damn'd friends and damn'd liars; Damn'd villains, corrupted in every station; Damn'd time-serving priests all over the nation; And into the bargain I'll readily give you Damn'd ignorant prelates, and counsellors privy. Then let us no longer by parsons be flamm'd, For we know by these marks the place of the damn'd: And HELL to be sure is at Paris or Rome. Pity for us that HELL is also our home! based on your quote, I guess I need make no appology to Swift for the change in the last line. :-D

        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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        • D daniilzol

          Maybe, but I'm still reminded of the old as this world one-liner: "Famous last words: what's the worst that could happen?"

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          El Corazon
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          JazzJackRabbit wrote:

          "Famous last words: what's the worst that could happen?"

          If I catch anyone saying that, I'm off to Mars ASAP!

          _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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          • P Paul Conrad

            Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

            it will cause the world (or even the universe) to end

            No it is not. People really have to take a chill pill about it.

            "The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham

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            Steve Mayfield
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            At least if they ARE right, they won't be around to say "Told you So!" :laugh:

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            • S Steve Mayfield

              At least if they ARE right, they won't be around to say "Told you So!" :laugh:

              Steve

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              Paul Conrad
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              Steve Mayfield wrote:

              won't be around to say "Told you So!"

              Yep. That's right on.

              "The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham

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              • L leckey 0

                1st person singular: "was" I was walking my dog when an old lady hit me. 1st person plural, 2nd person, 3rd person: "were" We were walking along when a penguin came out of nowhere. You were my best friend. They were talking about you.

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                Vikram A Punathambekar
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                Nope. You misunderstood the context of my question.

                Cheers, Vıkram.


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                • T toxcct

                  well, coliding 2 protons have absolutely no chance to create a durable, heavy enough black hole. but if any, i'm curious to know what's in there :)

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                  Mladen Jankovic
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                  toxcct wrote:

                  coliding 2 protons

                  Yeah, but what about their feelings?

                  some crazy lunatic from anit-LHC group said:

                  You've got these subatomic particles accelerated at great speeds for the sole purpose of being destroyed. No one thinks of the ethical implications of this, There's a limited supply of hadrons in the universe. Do we just want to go around destroying them? What if we run out? What if the hadrons can feel pain? Will we look back at this hundreds of years from now and regret it? Kinda like we do with the killing of bacteria with antibiotics now.

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                  • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                    "In individuals, insanity is rare, but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule." – Friedrich Nietzsche.

                    Cheers, Vıkram.


                    "if abusing me makes you a credible then i better give u the chance which didnt get in real" - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                    Ah, as in a person is smart but people are dumb.

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                    • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                      "In individuals, insanity is rare, but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs, it is the rule." – Friedrich Nietzsche.

                      Cheers, Vıkram.


                      "if abusing me makes you a credible then i better give u the chance which didnt get in real" - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                      El Corazon
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                      Thank you for not using the usual quotes. :)

                      _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                      • L Lost User

                        Ah, as in a person is smart but people are dumb.

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                        El Corazon
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                        Trollslayer wrote:

                        Ah, as in a person is smart but people are dumb.

                        very much so.... I think that the intelligence of a group is equal to the lowest IQ minus the number of people in the group. :-D you quickly see how large groups can quickly degrade to animal behavior. :rolleyes:

                        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                        • E El Corazon

                          fear of the unknown will always drive people to be irrational around that which they cannot understand. I am sure eventually we will screw ourselves, but not tomorrow. :-D

                          _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                          Kevin McFarlane
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                          And if we don't screw ourselves the sun eventually will - unless we've moved elsewhere by that time. :)

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                          • K Kevin McFarlane

                            And if we don't screw ourselves the sun eventually will - unless we've moved elsewhere by that time. :)

                            Kevin

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                            El Corazon
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                            Kevin McFarlane wrote:

                            And if we don't screw ourselves the sun eventually will

                            Oh I am sure we'll find a way to screw it up ahead of schedule, if we live that long. :) I'm rather optimistic about man's ability to destroy. :) in that aspect we are one talented bunch! :-D

                            _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                            • M Mladen Jankovic

                              toxcct wrote:

                              coliding 2 protons

                              Yeah, but what about their feelings?

                              some crazy lunatic from anit-LHC group said:

                              You've got these subatomic particles accelerated at great speeds for the sole purpose of being destroyed. No one thinks of the ethical implications of this, There's a limited supply of hadrons in the universe. Do we just want to go around destroying them? What if we run out? What if the hadrons can feel pain? Will we look back at this hundreds of years from now and regret it? Kinda like we do with the killing of bacteria with antibiotics now.

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                              El Corazon
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                              MLADEN JANKOVIC wrote:

                              Yeah, but what about their feelings?

                              But what if they want to be together.... "Strange attractors in my window of possible movement".

                              _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                              • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                                I've heard enough from the people who want the LHC experiment to be stopped because they think it will cause the world (or even the universe) to end. :zzz: Having said that, if we do manage to screw ourselves out of existence, here's to you guys! :-D I would have liked to meet more of you, but I'm sure I will. ;)

                                Cheers, Vıkram.


                                "if abusing me makes you a credible then i better give u the chance which didnt get in real" - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                                code frog 0
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                                Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                I would have liked to meet more of you, but I'm sure I will.

                                That was really funny Vikram. As usual I'm a fan of your take on humor. Good one. :-D

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                                • E El Corazon

                                  Trollslayer wrote:

                                  Ah, as in a person is smart but people are dumb.

                                  very much so.... I think that the intelligence of a group is equal to the lowest IQ minus the number of people in the group. :-D you quickly see how large groups can quickly degrade to animal behavior. :rolleyes:

                                  _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                  El Corazon wrote:

                                  I think that the intelligence of a group is equal to the lowest IQ minus the number of people in the group. Big Grin you quickly see how large groups can quickly degrade to animal behavior. Roll eyes

                                  No, you're underestimating it. Your formula would have a large committee if geniuses still have genius level intelligence, which is obviously incorrect. The correct formula is [Min(All Members IQs)]/[Number of Members].

                                  Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                  • E El Corazon

                                    MLADEN JANKOVIC wrote:

                                    Yeah, but what about their feelings?

                                    But what if they want to be together.... "Strange attractors in my window of possible movement".

                                    _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                    Mladen Jankovic
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                                    ...but we shouldn't force them, right? :)

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                                    • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                                      I don't mean to be a Grammar Nazi, but shouldn't it be "If I were falling off the edge...", rather than "If I was falling off the edge..."? I remember being taught in school that the former is right ("If the war were over tomorrow...*"). Just want to know if I'm right or wrong (or just sanctimonious :-D ). * Let's see who gets the reference right! :-D

                                      Cheers, Vıkram.


                                      "if abusing me makes you a credible then i better give u the chance which didnt get in real" - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                                      I like this argument: "were" is a subjunctive form used in contrafactual constructions, whereas "was" is an indictive form used in situations involving propositions with unconfirmed facts.

                                      Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                                      • D Dan Neely

                                        El Corazon wrote:

                                        I think that the intelligence of a group is equal to the lowest IQ minus the number of people in the group. Big Grin you quickly see how large groups can quickly degrade to animal behavior. Roll eyes

                                        No, you're underestimating it. Your formula would have a large committee if geniuses still have genius level intelligence, which is obviously incorrect. The correct formula is [Min(All Members IQs)]/[Number of Members].

                                        Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                        El Corazon
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                                        you are correct. my formula was obviously flawed. I stand corrected. :doh:

                                        _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."

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                                        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                                          I've heard enough from the people who want the LHC experiment to be stopped because they think it will cause the world (or even the universe) to end. :zzz: Having said that, if we do manage to screw ourselves out of existence, here's to you guys! :-D I would have liked to meet more of you, but I'm sure I will. ;)

                                          Cheers, Vıkram.


                                          "if abusing me makes you a credible then i better give u the chance which didnt get in real" - Adnan Siddiqi.

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                                          This LHC experiment is like running unsafe code. Why couldn't they practice process isolation and bring this LHC somewhere physically disconnected from the Earth? That is assuming those worried people are actually right…

                                          So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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