Egypt hosts Arab piracy meeting
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Rob Graham wrote:
Uh, Diego. The pirates are on a boat. A pretty big boat in most cases. And the boats mostly sail from a selected few harbors. Not so hard to find
Oh Rob, come on. You are smarter than that. They don't need to stay in the boat waiting for helicopters and ships. The boat is close to a small town that provides it with food and logistics. They have the support of local warlords and the population. Like in a guerrilla warfare the pirates have thousands of tactical moves to react against armed action: hide the hostages in land, plant bombs in the ship, etc... They're playing with the surprise element. That's their huge advantage. And, well used, it has proven to be very powerful even against the most organized armies or navies. Btw, there are dozens of warships already patrolling the Aden straight. I think the best solution is to equip the ships to self defense. Another option is security firms using small armed ships that would escort the big ships in the Aden straight. And there is the alternative of going through the south, through Good Hope Cape. Or go by plane. Let the market work it out.
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The shippers are all shitting themselves over liability risks if they hire armed guards. :mad: A pity since it would probably be the cheapest solution to protect high value targets, even if it isn't practical for smaller low value ships.
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thrakazog wrote:
You see, a boat is far smaller than a mountain range off in some country where terrorists can hide in a civilian population.
And the ocean is a lot bigger. And the ships they're stealing have an easily-recognizable monetary value, unlike random civilians.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
And the ocean is a lot bigger
Yes, but it's not like the ships are hiding. Their locations are already known. The article itself says " Pirates have anchored the Sirius Star off the coast of Somalia [AFP]", "A Ukrainian-registered cargo ship carrying tanks and heavy weaponry remains anchored off the Somali coast." Anchored, they aren't even on the move in the big ocean. If we can just air-drop Chuck Norris onto them, problem solved....
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Shog9 wrote:
And the ocean is a lot bigger
Yes, but it's not like the ships are hiding. Their locations are already known. The article itself says " Pirates have anchored the Sirius Star off the coast of Somalia [AFP]", "A Ukrainian-registered cargo ship carrying tanks and heavy weaponry remains anchored off the Somali coast." Anchored, they aren't even on the move in the big ocean. If we can just air-drop Chuck Norris onto them, problem solved....
thrakazog wrote:
we can just air-drop Chuck Norris onto them
You wouldn't have to drop him off. Just the notion of him possibly being dropped off would solve the problem :rolleyes: Just announce through a bullhorn that Chuck is going on board...
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Egypt hosts Arab piracy meeting for 6 countries.[^] Let me help you out there guys. Storm the ships, kill all the pirates. No negotiating. Repeat as necessary until the problem stops.
Obviously if it was that trivial some one would have done it. May be the fear is that pirates will burn all the crude oil in the tanker or spill it?
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see, here's the thing. a lot of people will tell you that figuring out who to shoot is difficult, esp if you have to hike to their murder site and/or ride a 4 wheeler or one of those kick ass rokon motercycle things. and while riding around all day in the mountains, shooting terrorists, pirates, eskimos or leprechauns could take literally all day, it would be both fun and profitalbe. esp the leprechauns, who rape men in bathrooms, take their wallets, stash the cash in pots under "rainbows" (and seriously, who didn't see a gay-rape culture springing fabulously from that little habbit?). but back to the main point: we do not want to handle shit like rambo. aging poorly with steriods in a small asian country is no way to solve problems. what we need to do is get a bunch of rokons, and for water faring pirates, probably some jet skis, a bunch of guns, and then drive around all day shooting them. we should probably bring along a camera crew to document our awesomness too. 2 weeks later, we'll check the pirate sign up sheets and very likely find them severly under signed.
:-D I want to smoke the stuff you smoke.
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The shippers are all shitting themselves over liability risks if they hire armed guards. :mad: A pity since it would probably be the cheapest solution to protect high value targets, even if it isn't practical for smaller low value ships.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
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:-D I want to smoke the stuff you smoke.
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Diego Moita wrote:
I want to smoke the stuff you smoke.
I don't. I think it damages the brain.
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Oakman wrote:
I don't. I think it damages the brain.
Same here. Not ready to rot my brain out.
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Actually, using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea (note I said Naval vessels, not "small armed ships"). Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
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thrakazog wrote:
kill all the pirates. No negotiating
Well, Club Gitmo is going to be shut down, what else would you do with them? The question is if a US task force catches any of these guys, do we read them thier Maranda rights and to which jurisdiction do they go for trial?
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Actually, using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea (note I said Naval vessels, not "small armed ships"). Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
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I see 12 active carriers [^] in the US Navy.. Thats enough to base one in a new US military base tithed to us by Somalia, right?
bulg wrote:
Thats enough to base one in a new US military base
One doesn't talk about a Carrier, but a Carrier Strike Group. That consists of one super carrier; an air wing; a destroyer squadron (3 or more destroyers and frigates); two guided missle cruisers; two or three guided missle destroyers, an attack submarine, and one or more supply ships.
bulg wrote:
tithed to us by Somalia
1/10th of the GNP of Somalia wouldn't cover the costs.
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OPEC is meeting to raise prices again? :laugh: :laugh:
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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thrakazog wrote:
Oh so you would just pay them the money they demand and wait for this sh*t to happen again?
No. Did I say that? Where?
thrakazog wrote:
Yes numb-nuts it is that simple. You see, a boat is far smaller than a mountain range off in some country where terrorists can hide in a civilian population. The pirates will be nicely contained ON that boat.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Pleeeaaase, keep posting more. You're very entertaining.
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He makes more sense than you ever will.
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bulg wrote:
Thats enough to base one in a new US military base
One doesn't talk about a Carrier, but a Carrier Strike Group. That consists of one super carrier; an air wing; a destroyer squadron (3 or more destroyers and frigates); two guided missle cruisers; two or three guided missle destroyers, an attack submarine, and one or more supply ships.
bulg wrote:
tithed to us by Somalia
1/10th of the GNP of Somalia wouldn't cover the costs.
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Oakman wrote:
1/10th of the GNP of Somalia wouldn't cover the costs.
If even that much. I figured closer to 1/100th or 1/1000th...
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Actually, using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea (note I said Naval vessels, not "small armed ships"). Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
Rob Graham wrote:
using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea
Isn't that interesting? I, the liberal, say "let the market fix it". The conservatives say the states (navy, army,...) should fix it. I suggest small ships because only they would have the mobility needed to attack the pirates.
Rob Graham wrote:
Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
A very good idea and we already do this sort of thing. There are Brazilian forces in other parts of the world doing peace-keeping (East-Timor, Haiti, ...). I don't oppose Brazilian ships there, but I'd prefer them on the Strait of Malaca. The piracy there does much more warm to Brazilian trade than in Aden.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
But, also there are naval forces from (1) United States, (2) France, (3) UK, (4) Russia, and (5) India
Sure thing. But they are meeting behind closed doors and without inviting the participation of the more powerful countries. Any decisions they come to will very quickly have to turn into requests before they become anything but mice voting to bell the cat. Egypt took the Suez away from France and the UK, maybe they should give it back if they can't protect it.
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The U.N., African Union and Arab nations struggled to respond Thursday to a surge of pirate attacks, authorizing more sanctions and calling for international peacekeepers to stop Somali sea bandits who appear undeterred by nonviolent tactics.[^] and "The meeting ended with the group recommending the establishment of committees that would meet in Yemen early next year to develop concrete steps to combat piracy, participants said". What a joke :| (in other news, as I write, Dow down nearly another 450 points)
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The U.N., African Union and Arab nations struggled to respond Thursday to a surge of pirate attacks, authorizing more sanctions and calling for international peacekeepers to stop Somali sea bandits who appear undeterred by nonviolent tactics.[^] and "The meeting ended with the group recommending the establishment of committees that would meet in Yemen early next year to develop concrete steps to combat piracy, participants said". What a joke :| (in other news, as I write, Dow down nearly another 450 points)
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
"The meeting ended with the group recommending the establishment of committees that would meet in Yemen early next year to develop concrete steps to combat piracy, participants said".
Didn't they steal that recommendation from the G20 meeting last weekend?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
in other news, as I write, Dow down nearly another 450 points
Ironically, Ford and GM are up a couple of pennies in a market where losers way outweighed winners.
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Rob Graham wrote:
using naval vessels to escort ships past the Aden straight is a pretty good idea
Isn't that interesting? I, the liberal, say "let the market fix it". The conservatives say the states (navy, army,...) should fix it. I suggest small ships because only they would have the mobility needed to attack the pirates.
Rob Graham wrote:
Maybe Brazil could provide a couple,you know, to sort of do it's share in the world?
A very good idea and we already do this sort of thing. There are Brazilian forces in other parts of the world doing peace-keeping (East-Timor, Haiti, ...). I don't oppose Brazilian ships there, but I'd prefer them on the Strait of Malaca. The piracy there does much more warm to Brazilian trade than in Aden.
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Suppression of piracy was the USNs first peacetime abroad mission, and has been a traditional mission of almost all navies historically (when they weren't focusing on raiding someone else's commerce anyway). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War[^] I'd have no problem with the shipping companies hiring Blackwater instead of paying higher insurance premiums, but they're all terrified of liability/bad PR from killing the scum.
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Obviously if it was that trivial some one would have done it. May be the fear is that pirates will burn all the crude oil in the tanker or spill it?
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Obviously if it was that trivial some one would have done it. May be the fear is that pirates will burn all the crude oil in the tanker or spill it?
That and they don't want to have the crew come up dead. S.O.P in hostage situations. (Can you remember way back when the West German Government got all kinds of grief when their attack on the Olympic terrorists got the entire Israeli wrestling team killed?) If the pirates start killing the crew, I suspect we'll see some action at that point.
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