Virtual PC XP Home running under Pro -- same wireless connection?
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...while we are on the subject...what works best for everybody?...I haven't tried any of them yet but will be over the holidays?
Another vote for VMWare, however running it under Vista x64 and with 6GB of RAM it's fantastic. Just updated to the latest 6.5 and it now supports "Unity" which is what Fusion had where you can run apps from the VM as windows inside the host rather than having a whole new copy of Windows. However I did have fun when I updated, if only this picture[^] were true...
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David Lockwood wrote:
if I had a nickel for every time I installed windows
Same here. I do the installers for our products, and it's a PITA to debug. Previously I had to find a machine, remove extra hardware, re-install the OS, test the install, and then loop on the last two steps. With VirtualPC I save a copy of the virtual disk in the 'pre-installation' state, run the install, and copy the saved version back. My iteration time is down to a couple of minutes rather than an hour.
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Another vote for VMWare, however running it under Vista x64 and with 6GB of RAM it's fantastic. Just updated to the latest 6.5 and it now supports "Unity" which is what Fusion had where you can run apps from the VM as windows inside the host rather than having a whole new copy of Windows. However I did have fun when I updated, if only this picture[^] were true...
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Yes it is. Since our installer includes an application, a couple dozen COM servers, several services, a couple device drivers, and may include the .NET framework and SQL Server 2005 Express, it's a wee bit tricky to get it all in place consistently. Having VirtualPC give me a consistent, reproducible test environment really helps.
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I've been looking at VirtualBox...you like it? It doesn't sound like you're using 64 bit XP to run as the 'root'
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It has some bugs.. but I like it what do you mean by 'root' though? I use XP x64 as host..
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No,. it's to do with MS forcing people to get XP SP2. It's rarely, if ever, a real requirement.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's rarely, if ever, a real requirement
Probably not but I suspect you'll find that MS applications, at least, which specify it won't install unless SP2 is present right?
Kevin
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VPC2007 will usually use whatever is your default device for your machine. On the VPC console, select but don't start the image you wish to check. Click settings and then select network adapter. You should now be able to select your NIC. HTH
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That was eventually the fix, yup...I had to select SharedNetwork or somethign and voila everything worked :)
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...while we are on the subject...what works best for everybody?...I haven't tried any of them yet but will be over the holidays?
VMWare Workstation is the gold standard. Nothing else comes even close. We've gladly paid for it for years for testing and development. The others are mentioned a lot here because they are either free or come with Microsoft MSDN subscriptions.
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Yeah, I just replied to the other post, mentioning that I would like to run 64bit XP as the root and all the other 32 bit OS's as the VM's...can VMWare do that kind of thing?...there always seems to be some caveat in the docs...'when the planets align on tuesday of the third month and the second week of the third day and...' ...ya know?
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VMWare Workstation is the gold standard. Nothing else comes even close. We've gladly paid for it for years for testing and development. The others are mentioned a lot here because they are either free or come with Microsoft MSDN subscriptions.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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I have VP2007 installed on my system running XPPRO I have everything installed and apparently working except... My real system uses a single wireless connection via a USB D-LINK adapter. My virtual OS XP Home does not seem to want to pick this up. Regardless of which USB port I plug the adapter into, no new hardware is found. When I ran the D-LINK installer it warned me about USB conflicts and having to upgrade to SP1 but that is going to be next to impossible considering I have no interent connection until the wireless works. Is there anyway I can get around this by changing parameters in the virtual OS -- IRQ numbers maybe? Cheers, Alex
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IIRC Virtual PC doesn't have USB support AT ALL
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Of course.. The differences between EM64T and AMD64 are very small (mostly it's the bugs that are different..)
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Hmm. I totally gave up on vmware because of its horrid performance degradation on multi core / multi cpu amd boxes (3 to 5) years ago. I had 3 instances where server class multi core systems would have their guests grind to a halt after running vmware server for a week or so. And the only fix was to reboot the host, which I don't want to do for systems that are to be up 24/7.
John
Observations and differances; * 5 years is a long time * I use only intel * I deal only with development environments not required for 24/7 operation * I have experienced the same behaviour you describe with vpc * I do bring my hosts down nightly using APC software. I run a script that shuts down all vm's except the domain controller. Then script shuts down the domain controller, then the host shuts down. The reverse process occurrs early every morning.
MrPlankton
(bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."
(good guy)"Which is where?"
(bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
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IIRC Virtual PC doesn't have USB support AT ALL
Doesn't seem that way, no. I had to use shared networking to make it work...
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vmware is best hands down. I'm running vmware server 1.07 on two virtual domains on older computers. vmware utilized uP bandwidth much more efficiently than vpc. vmware manages disk and network resources more efficiently as well. vmware has a tool called converter which has allowed me to virtualize physical machines which is a life saver. I have used vpc and vmware server (the free products) and there is absolutely no comparison, vmware trumpts u$'s connectex product.
MrPlankton
(bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."
(good guy)"Which is where?"
(bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
Dean Koontz, The Good GuyI second vmware/vmserver. Only downer is it takes a little while to load the virtual hard drive on this machine, but once it is loaded, sweet sailing :)
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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vmware is best hands down. I'm running vmware server 1.07 on two virtual domains on older computers. vmware utilized uP bandwidth much more efficiently than vpc. vmware manages disk and network resources more efficiently as well. vmware has a tool called converter which has allowed me to virtualize physical machines which is a life saver. I have used vpc and vmware server (the free products) and there is absolutely no comparison, vmware trumpts u$'s connectex product.
MrPlankton
(bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."
(good guy)"Which is where?"
(bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
Dean Koontz, The Good GuyVMWare Server is great. We use it primarily for testing our products. Being able to click a button when we're finished and having our test environment revert back to a clean, known state has saved me hundreds of hours over the last year of development. The only trouble I've had with WMWare Server is that the "WMWare Authorisation Service" seems to become unstable after VMs have been running for over a week. A reboot of the host (or of the offending VM) fixes the problem. It's not really a big deal for us though
