How much to maintain web site?
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Well let's assume a salary of 50K for each of the 6. Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc, and you get $750K for all 6 just in salary overhead. So only 250K left for machinery, software, maintenance, etc. Sounds a bit slim.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc
Wow! You must have way better insurance than I do, and mine's 100% company paid! We tack on 100% for fully burdened labor and have extra to spare. That even covers office space and administration.
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The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?
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Do you know how much is that in Zimbabwe? 36,844,444,000,000.00 ZWD This Amount of Budget can maintain 1000000 websites :)
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The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?
Best wishes, Hans
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Of the six, one would be a developer, one a team lead, a project lead, a project manager, a secretary of state for the white house website and finally on top, a senator. And due to the ongoing recession and to reduce costs, the developer would be looking out for a job soon enough. :rolleyes:
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The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?
Best wishes, Hans
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The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?
Best wishes, Hans
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I am ready to maintain the site with 50% less and with 2 people :p
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc
Wow! You must have way better insurance than I do, and mine's 100% company paid! We tack on 100% for fully burdened labor and have extra to spare. That even covers office space and administration.
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We're not just talking about the direct costs of employment but also the other on-costs. You need HR people to hire and fire them, accounts people to make sure they get paid, security people to check their ID at the door, offices, people to clean the offices, electricity, ... I don't know how the US govt does its accounting, but in all the universities and research labs institutions I've worked in, the multiplier has been between 2.4 and 3.4. (Yes, 3,4!). If you want to hire someone for a project, you need to find 3.4 * salary to pay for that. Sure, some of the costs listed above aren't really a marginal cost, but that's not how the accounting is done. And let's not go trying to explain to accountants that their numbers are rubbery -- life's too short for that.
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You would have to get more hamsters, and then get a hamster supervisor.
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
a hamster supervisor.
Otherwise called a cat. That'll keep them motivated.
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You would have to get more hamsters, and then get a hamster supervisor.
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The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?
Best wishes, Hans
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We're not just talking about the direct costs of employment but also the other on-costs. You need HR people to hire and fire them, accounts people to make sure they get paid, security people to check their ID at the door, offices, people to clean the offices, electricity, ... I don't know how the US govt does its accounting, but in all the universities and research labs institutions I've worked in, the multiplier has been between 2.4 and 3.4. (Yes, 3,4!). If you want to hire someone for a project, you need to find 3.4 * salary to pay for that. Sure, some of the costs listed above aren't really a marginal cost, but that's not how the accounting is done. And let's not go trying to explain to accountants that their numbers are rubbery -- life's too short for that.
stuartprescott wrote:
I don't know how the US govt does its accounting
Very innovatively. The coined the term 'creative accounting". :~
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We're not just talking about the direct costs of employment but also the other on-costs. You need HR people to hire and fire them, accounts people to make sure they get paid, security people to check their ID at the door, offices, people to clean the offices, electricity, ... I don't know how the US govt does its accounting, but in all the universities and research labs institutions I've worked in, the multiplier has been between 2.4 and 3.4. (Yes, 3,4!). If you want to hire someone for a project, you need to find 3.4 * salary to pay for that. Sure, some of the costs listed above aren't really a marginal cost, but that's not how the accounting is done. And let's not go trying to explain to accountants that their numbers are rubbery -- life's too short for that.
stuartprescott wrote:
And let's not go trying to explain to accountants that their numbers are rubbery -- life's too short for that.
True. Besides, it would be cruel. Their hardwired little brains would explode if anyone explained reality to them. Worse, people who work in universities are so far removed from the real world it might well be impossible to even communicate the concept to them. Communication requires some common reference point to begin.
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There's no excuse, either adjust the budget or adjust the services offered. Someones not *managing* like they should be.
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Budget? Whats that? oh yea count your money before you actually have it. Something flawed in that logic :doh:
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc
Is it really that high?
John
That's what I could swear I've heard from other people or maybe something I read somewhere. Maybe it's too high?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc
Is it really that high?
John
I have been working in private sector for 13 years doing IT work. The number I have seen is 2* and that pays the lights and rent and boss's salary and profit for the owner as will. I have never seen costs for servers and bandwidth on top of the hourly rate. My opinion is 2.5 plus hardware and circuits is WAY high. On the other hand, this is the government, and they print the money. Maybe that is how they roll.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc
Is it really that high?
John
adding 150% for overhead is around what my co charges, and about what is regularly suggested for approximating the conversion between contract hourly rates and the salaried equivalents. Renting office space isn't cheap, especially in large urban areas...
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I have been working in private sector for 13 years doing IT work. The number I have seen is 2* and that pays the lights and rent and boss's salary and profit for the owner as will. I have never seen costs for servers and bandwidth on top of the hourly rate. My opinion is 2.5 plus hardware and circuits is WAY high. On the other hand, this is the government, and they print the money. Maybe that is how they roll.
ludemade wrote:
On the other hand, this is the government, and they print the money. Maybe that is how they roll.
I agree with that.
John
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M
That does seem tiny for the amount of material they make available. I would have expected at least 20-30 people or more would be responsible for the site. Heck, Club Penguin employed 150 people before Disney bought them out awhile back. Cheers, Drew.
Yes, especially given Obama's wishes to use Web 2.0 governance techniques more. I'd expect they'd need to add a staff of at least 40 moderators for the topic-separated blog alone (and those moderators better be knowledgeable in both XHTML and the specific legislative track their blog is on). 6 people and a budget of only $1M, for the primary way the first GenX president will communicate with his constituents? Ridiculously small. You *MIGHT* get away with that for the basic IT staff, but when you add the content consistent with the office to that, it's going to explode.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc
Is it really that high?
John
It is really that high in the private sector- I'd expect government sector to be WORSE- they've got a union to deal with.
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Do you know how much is that in Zimbabwe? 36,844,444,000,000.00 ZWD This Amount of Budget can maintain 1000000 websites :)
Vuyiswa Maseko, Few companies that installed computers to reduce the employment of clerks have realized their expectations.... They now need more and more expensive clerks even though they call them "Developers" or "Programmers." C#/VB.NET/ASP.NET/SQL7/2000/2005/2008 http://www.vuyiswamaseko.tiyaneProperties.co.za vuyiswam@its.co.za
As long as you don't mind the low bandwidth of the tribal drum link, anyway....