An ethical question...
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Am I to take it that you've received an offer to develop the software for a Pornographic Spy Camera come Rocket Launcher? I might do that out of curiousity alone :D
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Or rather a question about your ethics. Do you have a particularly strong moral stance which dictates which industries, no matter what the reward, you will and won't work in? For example, in my time I've worked in (amongst other things) tobacco and gaming - two industries which a lot of people find highly objectional - which I had no problem with morally and was ultimately very comfortable with. However, I would not want to be involved with a company that manufactures or supplies arms and armaments or a company that specialises in the production of films of dubious artistic merit. There's my, slightly morally ambiguous, line. To broaden the scope a little, are there any tasks that your current employer could set that would see you quit? Example: if you were asked to develop a secret program to spy on your user's activities (effectively spy-ware whose results would be for the sole consumption of your employer) would you be happy to do it, or would you feel compelled to find employment elsewhere?
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About 5 years ago I turned down a job working on sea mines. It actually would have been pretty cool, they were using embedded linux in them and the aim was for the mine to be programmable and to lie in wait till a specific ship was identified by magnetic and sonic signatures then move itself under the ship and explode.
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Or rather a question about your ethics. Do you have a particularly strong moral stance which dictates which industries, no matter what the reward, you will and won't work in? For example, in my time I've worked in (amongst other things) tobacco and gaming - two industries which a lot of people find highly objectional - which I had no problem with morally and was ultimately very comfortable with. However, I would not want to be involved with a company that manufactures or supplies arms and armaments or a company that specialises in the production of films of dubious artistic merit. There's my, slightly morally ambiguous, line. To broaden the scope a little, are there any tasks that your current employer could set that would see you quit? Example: if you were asked to develop a secret program to spy on your user's activities (effectively spy-ware whose results would be for the sole consumption of your employer) would you be happy to do it, or would you feel compelled to find employment elsewhere?
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
martin_hughes wrote:
tobacco and gaming
Don't have a problem with them. Tobacco is a user choice, they can do what they want. I wouldn't do work to prove tobacco is harmless or anything like that though. Yeah, I probably wouldn't work for weapons manufactures. I have a problem with the pharmaceutical industry. I probably wouldn't work for them unless it was in some capacity to make a difference to their negative practises. I know it's just how the markets work, but I hate that they hold patents on drugs to prevent generics manufactures making any and prevent them from getting to sick people who need them but can't afford them. You wouldn't catch me working for patent lawyers either :laugh: Or Apple ;) I mean come on, an NDA to get the iphone sdk. I'll tell them where to shove their NDA ;)
Simon
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I support, to the death, your right to stay stupid stuff, as does that killing machine. Now please take your stupid political statements out of the lounge.
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it's not a political statement, nor is it stupid. it's just a fact. also, i was pointing out an inconsistency in OP comment. oh, and BTW, I fully support having a military.
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It's not encrypted or compressed. Come on, it should be easy.
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No, but there's an idea ;)
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
"What do you have for me this time, Q?" "Well Bond, it's a Pornographic Spy Camera with a built in Rocket Launcher that looks like a key fob ... don't press that!" "One thrust of my rocket always did cause an explosion" "Do be carefull where you aim that thing, Bond"
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it's not a political statement, nor is it stupid. it's just a fact. also, i was pointing out an inconsistency in OP comment. oh, and BTW, I fully support having a military.
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It is the government freedom machine. It brought freedom to a large part of Europe, as well as Iraq. This is not a political statement, it's just a fact. Do you think I'm being political with that statement? There was no inconsistency in his post: He said that he had sold out, he showed how he had. :( Than he said that the only thing he would not do for a living was any line of work that killed people. Do you think that means even if it would keep himself (or others) free, or save lives? Edit - Sorry. I stand behind what I said, but I took a bad approach to saying it. /Edit
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"What do you have for me this time, Q?" "Well Bond, it's a Pornographic Spy Camera with a built in Rocket Launcher that looks like a key fob ... don't press that!" "One thrust of my rocket always did cause an explosion" "Do be carefull where you aim that thing, Bond"
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:D
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
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It is the government freedom machine. It brought freedom to a large part of Europe, as well as Iraq. This is not a political statement, it's just a fact. Do you think I'm being political with that statement? There was no inconsistency in his post: He said that he had sold out, he showed how he had. :( Than he said that the only thing he would not do for a living was any line of work that killed people. Do you think that means even if it would keep himself (or others) free, or save lives? Edit - Sorry. I stand behind what I said, but I took a bad approach to saying it. /Edit
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RichardM1 wrote:
Do you think that means even if it would keep himself (or others) free, or save lives?
frankly don't know. i was also being sarcastic, to make a point. like i said, i fully support having a military. now please drop it.
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Or rather a question about your ethics. Do you have a particularly strong moral stance which dictates which industries, no matter what the reward, you will and won't work in? For example, in my time I've worked in (amongst other things) tobacco and gaming - two industries which a lot of people find highly objectional - which I had no problem with morally and was ultimately very comfortable with. However, I would not want to be involved with a company that manufactures or supplies arms and armaments or a company that specialises in the production of films of dubious artistic merit. There's my, slightly morally ambiguous, line. To broaden the scope a little, are there any tasks that your current employer could set that would see you quit? Example: if you were asked to develop a secret program to spy on your user's activities (effectively spy-ware whose results would be for the sole consumption of your employer) would you be happy to do it, or would you feel compelled to find employment elsewhere?
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
I would refuse any incentive to intentionally harm an animal. So you'd never see me on a whaling ship, working in an animal research lab, or clear-cutting any amount of rain forest. But I do eat meat, and I would freely accept medicines that are tested on animals, so I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite. However, in this way, so are a lot of other people.
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It is the government freedom machine. It brought freedom to a large part of Europe, as well as Iraq. This is not a political statement, it's just a fact. Do you think I'm being political with that statement? There was no inconsistency in his post: He said that he had sold out, he showed how he had. :( Than he said that the only thing he would not do for a living was any line of work that killed people. Do you think that means even if it would keep himself (or others) free, or save lives? Edit - Sorry. I stand behind what I said, but I took a bad approach to saying it. /Edit
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Hey, I like you, man. Finally a voice of reason and reality. People's words say that America is evil, but their feet say that there's no place on Earth they would rather be.
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Tobacco kills tens of thousands a year in the UK. More than any arms manufacturer. 'nuff said.
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So you're not real big on personal freedom, then, huh? You favor a nanny state?
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martin_hughes wrote:
Do you have a particularly strong moral stance which dictates which industries, no matter what the reward, you will and won't work in?
Yes. I think most people have some kind of scruples where they would turn down a job no matter the monies.
martin_hughes wrote:
To broaden the scope a little, are there any tasks that your current employer could set that would see you quit?
Anything that would require me to lie, cheat or steal; and killing is completely out of the question, unless it's a bug. I kill bugs everyday.
Douglas Troy wrote:
Anything that would require me to lie, cheat or steal;
So that pretty much rules out being a used car salesman, or a politician. :-D
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So you're not real big on personal freedom, then, huh? You favor a nanny state?
If I'm not for one extreme then I must be for the opposite extreme? Tsk tsk.
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bulg wrote:
Europe-countries have militaries?
Sure, they have militaries, but they are purely ceremonial.
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If I'm not for one extreme then I must be for the opposite extreme? Tsk tsk.
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Yeah, sorry. Never mind.
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then you pretty much shouldn't work because your tax dollars go to support the gov't killing machine.
I just want to clarify. I don't have a problem with our military. I gladly pay my taxes even though the money is used to buy weapons. I love America and I am damn proud of our military. I just don't want to work for a company that profits by making arms that kill people. I would just rather someone else do that. Also, even though corporations are mostly evil. I'd rather be in a country run by corporations than live in some Fascist state. Business is business but corporations could make decisions with a conscience and sometimes do what is right even if it is not always the most profitable. Honestly, I would much prefer a completely free market to what we have now. It is just sickening to see my government giving away out tax dollars to big banks because they screwed up.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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I just want to clarify. I don't have a problem with our military. I gladly pay my taxes even though the money is used to buy weapons. I love America and I am damn proud of our military. I just don't want to work for a company that profits by making arms that kill people. I would just rather someone else do that. Also, even though corporations are mostly evil. I'd rather be in a country run by corporations than live in some Fascist state. Business is business but corporations could make decisions with a conscience and sometimes do what is right even if it is not always the most profitable. Honestly, I would much prefer a completely free market to what we have now. It is just sickening to see my government giving away out tax dollars to big banks because they screwed up.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
"Also, even though corporations are mostly evil" bigot. ;) Do you even know what you just said?
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Douglas Troy wrote:
Anything that would require me to lie, cheat or steal;
So that pretty much rules out being a used car salesman, or a politician. :-D
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Yes, OK. But what happens when they pass a law that you don't agree with, or that breaks your moral code?
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