Speaking of new features
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I tried it on one of my articles (I'm native Dutch speaking) and on the article by Nish currently on the home page. I am not impressed by the results; it translates the words mostly correct (except it did try and translate class names in text unless they got a CODE tag which is hard to apply consistently), but it fails to understand the grammar quite often, resulting in lots of nonsensical sentences. Short sentences often become unintelligible, the blog posts are extremely hard to follow. I tried French and would call it mostly bad; I tried Dutch and German and call those bad to very bad. Assuming one masters basic understanding of an English article, I don't think people will use the translator. Readers who really struggle with English, now may choose to try and understand the article in their native language, replacing one struggle with another one (I doubt they will). For all of them, if they are really interested in the article and have the drive to compare it in two languages, having that available might be beneficial. :)
Thus the need for one single universal language. But what should it be? Hmmmm....
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Has anyone tried reading translated articles? Scroll to the bottom of any article page and try out the Microsoft Translator widget ... we just added it. My language skills with my mother tongue are tentative enough without my attempting to see if the translations into other languages are accurate.
I did. But I don't speak any of the languages in the drop down - so I don't really have any feedback. Also after the first or second attempt, I went straight to the Microsoft page and tried out other URLs on the translation engine :-)
Regards, Nish
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:shuddering: You couldn't get a drunk chimp to completely debase the Arabic language like that. I'll tell you more about the French in a second post.
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Why won't the worm just leave me be?
But was it funny!? :)
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I did. But I don't speak any of the languages in the drop down - so I don't really have any feedback. Also after the first or second attempt, I went straight to the Microsoft page and tried out other URLs on the translation engine :-)
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkTry translating to any other language, then back to the original one. That should improve and not degrade the text. :-D :-D
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Thus the need for one single universal language. But what should it be? Hmmmm....
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It should be simple enough so everyone can learn it easily, it should have a limited vocabulary, it should be devoid of ambiguity, and preferably very tolerant with respect to orthography. You wanted to suggest one? :)
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I tried it on one of my articles (I'm native Dutch speaking) and on the article by Nish currently on the home page. I am not impressed by the results; it translates the words mostly correct (except it did try and translate class names in text unless they got a CODE tag which is hard to apply consistently), but it fails to understand the grammar quite often, resulting in lots of nonsensical sentences. Short sentences often become unintelligible, the blog posts are extremely hard to follow. I tried French and would call it mostly bad; I tried Dutch and German and call those bad to very bad. Assuming one masters basic understanding of an English article, I don't think people will use the translator. Readers who really struggle with English, now may choose to try and understand the article in their native language, replacing one struggle with another one (I doubt they will). For all of them, if they are really interested in the article and have the drive to compare it in two languages, having that available might be beneficial. :)
Did the same with my last article (into french my native language). The translation is mostly unintelligible (meaningless) garbage for a french speaker. Chris, forget it please:thumbsdown: cheers, AR
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Did the same with my last article (into french my native language). The translation is mostly unintelligible (meaningless) garbage for a french speaker. Chris, forget it please:thumbsdown: cheers, AR
I tried a native-English one too, in case someone would suggest my article's English wasn't good enough for the automatic translator... Maybe they should offer the reverse: let us write in our native language, and either publish that or publish the automatic translation (which requires translation to English not from it). :-D :-D :-D
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But was it funny!? :)
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No :( Blithering idiot sounds better. This is just... words strewn together.
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It should be simple enough so everyone can learn it easily, it should have a limited vocabulary, it should be devoid of ambiguity, and preferably very tolerant with respect to orthography. You wanted to suggest one? :)
Latin
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Latin
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Vulgar, classical or medieval?
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Has anyone tried reading translated articles? Scroll to the bottom of any article page and try out the Microsoft Translator widget ... we just added it. My language skills with my mother tongue are tentative enough without my attempting to see if the translations into other languages are accurate.
New? :wtf: Didn't Dictionary.com have a translator up and running like over 6 years ago??? Oh right. Its a widget now. That makes it new I guess... wait no... Google did that already a few years ago.
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Latin
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OK, works for me. You could have chosen worse. It will be a bit rusty at the start though. BTW: do you mean real Latin, or what the Yanks made of it? :)
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Vulgar, classical or medieval?
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Vulgar for VB Classical for C# Mediaeval for Macros Seems sensible to me.
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I tried it yesterday. Spent 15 minutes seeing how many different languages I could learn to write "Kiss my ass" in. Surprisingly it didn't work out so well :(
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It was in '09 when Jim visited Outer Craplepistan. Having translated many useful phrases through Microsoft he felt genuinely able to converse with the Boratesque populous. It was then he yelled his favourite phrase "Kiss my ass" in best Craplepistanish to a very ugly mustachioed woman. Unfortunately for Jim, due to a bizarre historical occurrence involving a 16th century monarch, 14 monkeys, 4 yards of rope, 3 concubines and a turnip, "Kiss my ass" was a colloquialism for "I demand your daughters hand in marriage". Jim was at first adamantly against the engagement, but the AK-47 has an uncanny means of persuasion ...
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OK, works for me. You could have chosen worse. It will be a bit rusty at the start though. BTW: do you mean real Latin, or what the Yanks made of it? :)
Real latin please. After what they did to English we can't trust them! :)
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Latin
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Speaking of languages, I have a small question about ours. You know words right, two or three at least? OK, 'Plausible' is it quantifiable? Would it be correct to say that something is the 'most plausible'? I say not, you would say 'most probable', or perhaps 'most feasible'. I know it's silly, but there's an argument that must be put to an end! :laugh:
My current favourite word is: Delicious!
-SK Genius
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Speaking of languages, I have a small question about ours. You know words right, two or three at least? OK, 'Plausible' is it quantifiable? Would it be correct to say that something is the 'most plausible'? I say not, you would say 'most probable', or perhaps 'most feasible'. I know it's silly, but there's an argument that must be put to an end! :laugh:
My current favourite word is: Delicious!
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I disagree. There may be several plausible reasons, one of which may be the most plausible. Do not confuse plausible with probable. It is also one of those words that means it's own opposite. Plausible is not always a good thing. qv a plausible liar
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Speaking of languages, I have a small question about ours. You know words right, two or three at least? OK, 'Plausible' is it quantifiable? Would it be correct to say that something is the 'most plausible'? I say not, you would say 'most probable', or perhaps 'most feasible'. I know it's silly, but there's an argument that must be put to an end! :laugh:
My current favourite word is: Delicious!
-SK Genius
IMHO you can make a statement more plausible by bringing on convincing arguments. I'm not sure I agree with your use of quantifiable though, it reminds me of enumerable. :)
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Real latin please. After what they did to English we can't trust them! :)
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So your farmer would be an agricoula? :)
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IMHO you can make a statement more plausible by bringing on convincing arguments. I'm not sure I agree with your use of quantifiable though, it reminds me of enumerable. :)
"He is a most plausible liar" is acceptable. And yes I know it is a different case from "He is the most plausible liar".
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