job post setting up for failure?

[M Towler]

In my experience lots of companies do this. First round they advertise a ridiculously specific list of skills, and won't accept anything less. After abject failure the second round has a healthy dose of reality added. All it achieves is wasting their own time. The annoying part is that if you apply the first round then they may not consider your CV the second time round, so you have to guess which phase they are currently in.

[OriginalGriff]

DanB1983 wrote:

there was definately long hair involved so I am assuming it was a girl

Assumptions like that could get you into trouble. Look a little lower. Subtly, if you can...

[Gary R Wheeler]

They'd have to double it to just get me to talk to them :^).

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[tgrt]

Robert Surtees wrote:

It used to be you had to show an attempt to hire local help before giving a job to a non-resident applicant (at least that's what the lawyers told us). Companies that had a specific non-resident in mind would run ads that were so specific nobody would qualify but the person they wanted to hire.

I was thinking the same thing. It's probably part of the H1B requirements.

[LenaBr]

Gee all they are missing for a local job posting would be: Fluently bilingual spoken and written and will do 24 telephone support. According to a friend who was a headhunter what you don't see is "Doesn't have a funny name", "has at least 20 years expereince and is under 30"

[kinar]

I didn't goto he website to check, however, this sounds like it could potentially be a good job to me. It sounds like it is a pretty small team (good) considering they want you to be able to talk to people other than programmers (best aspect of the job imo), perhaps customers (great) and potentially do sales (sales jobs are extremely fun imo). It looks like they are trying to replace an old system (Server2003/IIS3) with newer technology vs2k8/IIS7/silverlight so you get to help design and implement a new system. All in all, it looks to me like you would have a lot of freedom to pursue what you fealt necessary to accomplish the task without too much of someone looking over your shoulder every 10mins. And to top it all off, I've always thought that no person needs to make more than 50K/yr no matter what job they are doing so the salary isn't a turn off for me. Work environment is far more important to me than the salary I take home. Of course, this doesn't mean that I'm gonna apply. I don't live anywhere near Atlanta and I'm not lookin to move. I also happen to like my current job. But if I were near atlanta, I'd definately look into it.

[Ware Work]

I got a consultant position (to pay bills between permanent positions) for a company based out of Atlanta that had a local office. I was trying to get a full time position from them for the benefits. The came back with an offer like this one (about 2/3 what I made previously) and said that is what the market was paying. When my consulting position ended, I started a new full time position for another company making almost exactly what I had previously been making. Obviously the Atlanta company wasn't localizing pay to their office locations, and I believe the Atlanta market to be paying poorly for IT.

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[charlieg]

"I've always thought that no person needs to make more than 50K/yr no matter what job they are doing" Are you serious? Where are you from and whatever got that stuck in your head? :wtf:

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[lmaycock]

I recall one vacancy specifying "10 years .net experience" as mandatory. I also recall that this was around 2006... :doh:

[Erik Westermann]

This is not a real job posting...

• The underlying company has a contractor in place whose contract is coming up for renewal.
• They need to justify the contractor's renewal, so they post the job so that only 1 or 2 people actually qualify.
• If they get candidates in for interviews, they always find something wrong, and so justify the current contractor.

Sadly, people that respond to these types of ads really just help the person currently in the position.

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[charlieg]

When "consulting" like that, companies can get away with it, because they expect churn. The gigs tend to be short, so turnover is not unusual. Companies hiring too cheaply set themselves up for much higher costs. If the developer is any good, someone will cherry pick him / her in a heartbeat. I know my company would. Except for Kinar. Sounds like he's happy with 50K or less ;)

Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"

[kinar]

Yes I am serious. I live in the US in the midwest. 50K per adult (in the case of a couple, the household gets 100K) IMO, if you NEED more than 50K (or 100K if married) to live on and raise your family, then you seriously need to re-evaluate your lifestyle. If you do happen to make more than 50K, any surplus should go to helping those around you who dont (charity).

[Lost User]

As a western-Canadian, I see nothing out of the ordinary about this positing - except that they would also be wanting a degree or diploma (in engineering or computer science), and the pay would be measured in Canadian dollars. Basically, they're looking for a junior developer. The related buzzword bingo is just wishful thinking or naivety on their part. This happens all the time.

[Dan Neely]

They're asking for far too many checkmarks for a junior role though. no way could you be even dangerous in that many techs after 3 years.

Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

[Lost User]

I wholeheartedly agree. On further reflection, I think that Erik Westermann got it right on the previous post. They already have a candidate, but must go through the process to appear to be fair. Of late, I have noticed a trend away from specific buzzwords and more toward foundational skills. Perhaps it is just my imagination. Has anybody else noticed this trend?

[Dan Neely]

mutantdna wrote:

Of late, I have noticed a trend away from specific buzzwords and more toward foundational skills. Perhaps it is just my imagination. Has anybody else noticed this trend?

No, but I've been in my current position for 4 years and haven't been looking as a result. :cool:

Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

[Jim SS]

50K would just barely pay my house payment, electricity, gas, one car and taxes. It would be nice to live where house payments were small, it didn't cost a fortune to either heat or cool the house and I could walk to work. However, there aren't any jobs where that applies. Maybe I could do that if I telecommuted from Kentucky.:suss:

SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown

[kinar]

Jim (SS) wrote:

50K would just barely pay my house payment, electricity, gas, one car and taxes.

Then you live in way too big of house (or possibly one that is just far too poorly designed) and drive WAY too nice of car. You Could live on 50K easily even where you currently work. You just don't want to. IMO, that by itself, is what is wrong with the world today. People are entirely obsessed with entitlement and/or convenience. Of course I would love to assume you are american, but I can't make that assumption since the mentality circles the globe.

[Jim SS]

House is just about at median price, car is '96 Camry. You are right, I could live on 50K. However, I choose not to live in a part of town where the crime rate is significantly higher, the school dropout rate is significantly higher, and I wouldn't be tolerated by the prevailing ethnic community. I also choose to not live where the commute could easily be 2-3 hours per day. It sounds like you are advocating a socialist society where everybody needs to conform to your ideas of what should be acceptable for a standard of living. I on the other hand believe that we should all be able to decide for ourselves how and where we spend the money that we have worked (or decided not to work) for. BTW I include education as work that eventually produces a return on investment.

kinar wrote:

obsessed with entitlement

I don't believe that I am entitled to anything beyond life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I am not entitled to anything that the current socialistic society believes in. I am not entitled to food, shelter, transportation, medical care, education, etc. if I don't get my butt out and work for it. But if my services or wise investment/management allow there should be nothing stopping me from owning a castles and an airplane to fly between them.

SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown

[Kenny Gill]

Why on earth would they need Google Mini...and how could this possibly be a one-person job...