job post setting up for failure?
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I came across this posting today, I have no idea why I came across it, that's not the point. I've been in this business (thinking).. 25+ years. What kind of job description is this? Where do they come from? This level of depth, assuming the candidate actually existed, I pay so much more for.... ----- Required Experience: Must have a minimum of 3 years .NET experience using C#, ASP.NET 2.0, and SQL Server 2005 Multi-Tier Application Architecture & Development Database Design HTML, CSS, XML, XSL, and JavaScript Windows Server 2003 (IIS 3.0) Deployment and I.T. experience AJAX The ability to communicate with technical and non-technical personnel Demonstrated ability to produce high quality work ASP.NET 3.5, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2008 Community Server Google Mini Ektron CMS SalesForce API Telerik Rad Controls Subsonic Tools Silverlight 1.0 or 1.1 Subversion Windows Vista IIS 7.0 We're looking for more than just good software developers. We're looking for an individual who would like to be a part of our growing team! To apply for this position please submit your resume, best practice code samples and salary requirements using this link http://tbe.taleo.net/NA1/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=BERSIN&cws=1&rid=14. * Location: Atlanta, GA * Compensation: $45000.00-$55000.00 -----
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
I got a consultant position (to pay bills between permanent positions) for a company based out of Atlanta that had a local office. I was trying to get a full time position from them for the benefits. The came back with an offer like this one (about 2/3 what I made previously) and said that is what the market was paying. When my consulting position ended, I started a new full time position for another company making almost exactly what I had previously been making. Obviously the Atlanta company wasn't localizing pay to their office locations, and I believe the Atlanta market to be paying poorly for IT.
WarePhreak Programmers are tools to convert caffiene to code.
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I didn't goto he website to check, however, this sounds like it could potentially be a good job to me. It sounds like it is a pretty small team (good) considering they want you to be able to talk to people other than programmers (best aspect of the job imo), perhaps customers (great) and potentially do sales (sales jobs are extremely fun imo). It looks like they are trying to replace an old system (Server2003/IIS3) with newer technology vs2k8/IIS7/silverlight so you get to help design and implement a new system. All in all, it looks to me like you would have a lot of freedom to pursue what you fealt necessary to accomplish the task without too much of someone looking over your shoulder every 10mins. And to top it all off, I've always thought that no person needs to make more than 50K/yr no matter what job they are doing so the salary isn't a turn off for me. Work environment is far more important to me than the salary I take home. Of course, this doesn't mean that I'm gonna apply. I don't live anywhere near Atlanta and I'm not lookin to move. I also happen to like my current job. But if I were near atlanta, I'd definately look into it.
"I've always thought that no person needs to make more than 50K/yr no matter what job they are doing" Are you serious? Where are you from and whatever got that stuck in your head? :wtf:
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
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Gee all they are missing for a local job posting would be: Fluently bilingual spoken and written and will do 24 telephone support. According to a friend who was a headhunter what you don't see is "Doesn't have a funny name", "has at least 20 years expereince and is under 30"
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I came across this posting today, I have no idea why I came across it, that's not the point. I've been in this business (thinking).. 25+ years. What kind of job description is this? Where do they come from? This level of depth, assuming the candidate actually existed, I pay so much more for.... ----- Required Experience: Must have a minimum of 3 years .NET experience using C#, ASP.NET 2.0, and SQL Server 2005 Multi-Tier Application Architecture & Development Database Design HTML, CSS, XML, XSL, and JavaScript Windows Server 2003 (IIS 3.0) Deployment and I.T. experience AJAX The ability to communicate with technical and non-technical personnel Demonstrated ability to produce high quality work ASP.NET 3.5, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2008 Community Server Google Mini Ektron CMS SalesForce API Telerik Rad Controls Subsonic Tools Silverlight 1.0 or 1.1 Subversion Windows Vista IIS 7.0 We're looking for more than just good software developers. We're looking for an individual who would like to be a part of our growing team! To apply for this position please submit your resume, best practice code samples and salary requirements using this link http://tbe.taleo.net/NA1/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=BERSIN&cws=1&rid=14. * Location: Atlanta, GA * Compensation: $45000.00-$55000.00 -----
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
This is not a real job posting...
- The underlying company has a contractor in place whose contract is coming up for renewal.
- They need to justify the contractor's renewal, so they post the job so that only 1 or 2 people actually qualify.
- If they get candidates in for interviews, they always find something wrong, and so justify the current contractor.
Sadly, people that respond to these types of ads really just help the person currently in the position.
Erik Westermann - ArtOfBabel.com - Systems Integration Magazine
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I got a consultant position (to pay bills between permanent positions) for a company based out of Atlanta that had a local office. I was trying to get a full time position from them for the benefits. The came back with an offer like this one (about 2/3 what I made previously) and said that is what the market was paying. When my consulting position ended, I started a new full time position for another company making almost exactly what I had previously been making. Obviously the Atlanta company wasn't localizing pay to their office locations, and I believe the Atlanta market to be paying poorly for IT.
WarePhreak Programmers are tools to convert caffiene to code.
When "consulting" like that, companies can get away with it, because they expect churn. The gigs tend to be short, so turnover is not unusual. Companies hiring too cheaply set themselves up for much higher costs. If the developer is any good, someone will cherry pick him / her in a heartbeat. I know my company would. Except for Kinar. Sounds like he's happy with 50K or less ;)
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
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"I've always thought that no person needs to make more than 50K/yr no matter what job they are doing" Are you serious? Where are you from and whatever got that stuck in your head? :wtf:
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
Yes I am serious. I live in the US in the midwest. 50K per adult (in the case of a couple, the household gets 100K) IMO, if you NEED more than 50K (or 100K if married) to live on and raise your family, then you seriously need to re-evaluate your lifestyle. If you do happen to make more than 50K, any surplus should go to helping those around you who dont (charity).
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I came across this posting today, I have no idea why I came across it, that's not the point. I've been in this business (thinking).. 25+ years. What kind of job description is this? Where do they come from? This level of depth, assuming the candidate actually existed, I pay so much more for.... ----- Required Experience: Must have a minimum of 3 years .NET experience using C#, ASP.NET 2.0, and SQL Server 2005 Multi-Tier Application Architecture & Development Database Design HTML, CSS, XML, XSL, and JavaScript Windows Server 2003 (IIS 3.0) Deployment and I.T. experience AJAX The ability to communicate with technical and non-technical personnel Demonstrated ability to produce high quality work ASP.NET 3.5, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2008 Community Server Google Mini Ektron CMS SalesForce API Telerik Rad Controls Subsonic Tools Silverlight 1.0 or 1.1 Subversion Windows Vista IIS 7.0 We're looking for more than just good software developers. We're looking for an individual who would like to be a part of our growing team! To apply for this position please submit your resume, best practice code samples and salary requirements using this link http://tbe.taleo.net/NA1/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=BERSIN&cws=1&rid=14. * Location: Atlanta, GA * Compensation: $45000.00-$55000.00 -----
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
As a western-Canadian, I see nothing out of the ordinary about this positing - except that they would also be wanting a degree or diploma (in engineering or computer science), and the pay would be measured in Canadian dollars. Basically, they're looking for a junior developer. The related buzzword bingo is just wishful thinking or naivety on their part. This happens all the time.
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As a western-Canadian, I see nothing out of the ordinary about this positing - except that they would also be wanting a degree or diploma (in engineering or computer science), and the pay would be measured in Canadian dollars. Basically, they're looking for a junior developer. The related buzzword bingo is just wishful thinking or naivety on their part. This happens all the time.
They're asking for far too many checkmarks for a junior role though. no way could you be even dangerous in that many techs after 3 years.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
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They're asking for far too many checkmarks for a junior role though. no way could you be even dangerous in that many techs after 3 years.
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
I wholeheartedly agree. On further reflection, I think that Erik Westermann got it right on the previous post. They already have a candidate, but must go through the process to appear to be fair. Of late, I have noticed a trend away from specific buzzwords and more toward foundational skills. Perhaps it is just my imagination. Has anybody else noticed this trend?
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I wholeheartedly agree. On further reflection, I think that Erik Westermann got it right on the previous post. They already have a candidate, but must go through the process to appear to be fair. Of late, I have noticed a trend away from specific buzzwords and more toward foundational skills. Perhaps it is just my imagination. Has anybody else noticed this trend?
mutantdna wrote:
Of late, I have noticed a trend away from specific buzzwords and more toward foundational skills. Perhaps it is just my imagination. Has anybody else noticed this trend?
No, but I've been in my current position for 4 years and haven't been looking as a result. :cool:
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
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Yes I am serious. I live in the US in the midwest. 50K per adult (in the case of a couple, the household gets 100K) IMO, if you NEED more than 50K (or 100K if married) to live on and raise your family, then you seriously need to re-evaluate your lifestyle. If you do happen to make more than 50K, any surplus should go to helping those around you who dont (charity).
50K would just barely pay my house payment, electricity, gas, one car and taxes. It would be nice to live where house payments were small, it didn't cost a fortune to either heat or cool the house and I could walk to work. However, there aren't any jobs where that applies. Maybe I could do that if I telecommuted from Kentucky.:suss:
SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown
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50K would just barely pay my house payment, electricity, gas, one car and taxes. It would be nice to live where house payments were small, it didn't cost a fortune to either heat or cool the house and I could walk to work. However, there aren't any jobs where that applies. Maybe I could do that if I telecommuted from Kentucky.:suss:
SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown
Jim (SS) wrote:
50K would just barely pay my house payment, electricity, gas, one car and taxes.
Then you live in way too big of house (or possibly one that is just far too poorly designed) and drive WAY too nice of car. You Could live on 50K easily even where you currently work. You just don't want to. IMO, that by itself, is what is wrong with the world today. People are entirely obsessed with entitlement and/or convenience. Of course I would love to assume you are american, but I can't make that assumption since the mentality circles the globe.
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Jim (SS) wrote:
50K would just barely pay my house payment, electricity, gas, one car and taxes.
Then you live in way too big of house (or possibly one that is just far too poorly designed) and drive WAY too nice of car. You Could live on 50K easily even where you currently work. You just don't want to. IMO, that by itself, is what is wrong with the world today. People are entirely obsessed with entitlement and/or convenience. Of course I would love to assume you are american, but I can't make that assumption since the mentality circles the globe.
House is just about at median price, car is '96 Camry. You are right, I could live on 50K. However, I choose not to live in a part of town where the crime rate is significantly higher, the school dropout rate is significantly higher, and I wouldn't be tolerated by the prevailing ethnic community. I also choose to not live where the commute could easily be 2-3 hours per day. It sounds like you are advocating a socialist society where everybody needs to conform to your ideas of what should be acceptable for a standard of living. I on the other hand believe that we should all be able to decide for ourselves how and where we spend the money that we have worked (or decided not to work) for. BTW I include education as work that eventually produces a return on investment.
kinar wrote:
obsessed with entitlement
I don't believe that I am entitled to anything beyond life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I am not entitled to anything that the current socialistic society believes in. I am not entitled to food, shelter, transportation, medical care, education, etc. if I don't get my butt out and work for it. But if my services or wise investment/management allow there should be nothing stopping me from owning a castles and an airplane to fly between them.
SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown
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I came across this posting today, I have no idea why I came across it, that's not the point. I've been in this business (thinking).. 25+ years. What kind of job description is this? Where do they come from? This level of depth, assuming the candidate actually existed, I pay so much more for.... ----- Required Experience: Must have a minimum of 3 years .NET experience using C#, ASP.NET 2.0, and SQL Server 2005 Multi-Tier Application Architecture & Development Database Design HTML, CSS, XML, XSL, and JavaScript Windows Server 2003 (IIS 3.0) Deployment and I.T. experience AJAX The ability to communicate with technical and non-technical personnel Demonstrated ability to produce high quality work ASP.NET 3.5, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2008 Community Server Google Mini Ektron CMS SalesForce API Telerik Rad Controls Subsonic Tools Silverlight 1.0 or 1.1 Subversion Windows Vista IIS 7.0 We're looking for more than just good software developers. We're looking for an individual who would like to be a part of our growing team! To apply for this position please submit your resume, best practice code samples and salary requirements using this link http://tbe.taleo.net/NA1/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=BERSIN&cws=1&rid=14. * Location: Atlanta, GA * Compensation: $45000.00-$55000.00 -----
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
Why on earth would they need Google Mini...and how could this possibly be a one-person job...
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I came across this posting today, I have no idea why I came across it, that's not the point. I've been in this business (thinking).. 25+ years. What kind of job description is this? Where do they come from? This level of depth, assuming the candidate actually existed, I pay so much more for.... ----- Required Experience: Must have a minimum of 3 years .NET experience using C#, ASP.NET 2.0, and SQL Server 2005 Multi-Tier Application Architecture & Development Database Design HTML, CSS, XML, XSL, and JavaScript Windows Server 2003 (IIS 3.0) Deployment and I.T. experience AJAX The ability to communicate with technical and non-technical personnel Demonstrated ability to produce high quality work ASP.NET 3.5, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2008 Community Server Google Mini Ektron CMS SalesForce API Telerik Rad Controls Subsonic Tools Silverlight 1.0 or 1.1 Subversion Windows Vista IIS 7.0 We're looking for more than just good software developers. We're looking for an individual who would like to be a part of our growing team! To apply for this position please submit your resume, best practice code samples and salary requirements using this link http://tbe.taleo.net/NA1/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=BERSIN&cws=1&rid=14. * Location: Atlanta, GA * Compensation: $45000.00-$55000.00 -----
Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Hurtling toward a government of the stupid, by the stupid, for the stupid we go. —Michelle Malkin This crap sandwich is all yours.... 2009 "Stimulus Bill"
Having been looking lately, that's a bit low on the expectations and high on salary. Apparently if you aren't exactly what the want, and not willing to work for roughly half what you're worth, most companies won't look at you right now. Or they will just to jerk you around for a few hours and then send you a dear john letter in six months. Thankfully I don't need to deal with that at the moment, but my current pay leaves a lot to be desired.