Opinion: Rise of PHP shows how msft dev tools have lost their way
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Shog9 wrote:
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NAMESPACE! NAMESPACE! We don't need no stinking namepsace.
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Just put this on the CP Twitter feed (@thecodeproject). RT @jeffreymcmanus: our pal @andrewbrust: rise of PHP reveals MSFT how dev tools have lost their way "Remembrance of Code Past"[^] My favorite paragraph: "PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft at the game it practically invented. Together, they offer a programming environment with a low barrier to entry, high productivity, more-than-sufficient functionality, low cost and a wildly enthusiastic ecosystem of developers. Dial back to the early 1990s, and that was Microsoft. In the latter part of this decade, it most certainly is not."
I suppose Visual Web Developer Express (or whatever it's called) is Microsoft's response. Trouble is, while the price is right for the hobbyist developer, the learning curve is just the same as Visual Studio Standard, so it takes a significant time investment to learn how to use it. And I would have to say that even as a professional developer (I do get paid for my development skills :-)) I'd be as happy or happier using Apache+Python+SQLite for a little (or not so little) web-site - there's less getting in the way than with ASP.NET - although that's just an uninformed opinion, as I've never used ASP.NET. I have used Python and stuff for web development though :)
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Just put this on the CP Twitter feed (@thecodeproject). RT @jeffreymcmanus: our pal @andrewbrust: rise of PHP reveals MSFT how dev tools have lost their way "Remembrance of Code Past"[^] My favorite paragraph: "PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft at the game it practically invented. Together, they offer a programming environment with a low barrier to entry, high productivity, more-than-sufficient functionality, low cost and a wildly enthusiastic ecosystem of developers. Dial back to the early 1990s, and that was Microsoft. In the latter part of this decade, it most certainly is not."
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Thanks Shog. I wonder how Jeff and Dave convinced Chris into this twitter thing. Maybe they set it all up while he was away on one of his biking trips :-D
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
Maybe they set it all up while he was away on one of his biking trips Big Grin
At first glance I read that as '...one of his bikini trips' :suss:
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old-school basic feel of bad code and spaghetti logic.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
spaghetti logic
Aah, for a nice bowl of spaghetti logic season with a warm and lumpy cup of tag soup.
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Interesting... the "PHP on Windows Training Kit" mentioned in the article requires Vista or higher (no XP). Kinda kills the "low barrier to entry" comment. ;P
Does it really, or have they just inserted into the docs?
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
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Interesting... the "PHP on Windows Training Kit" mentioned in the article requires Vista or higher (no XP). Kinda kills the "low barrier to entry" comment. ;P
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Does it really, or have they just inserted into the docs?
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Kinda kills the "low barrier to entry" comment.
Come on, man... be nice, they're trying to move this thing. The We7en RC is out now, they've only a few more months left to pretend it wasn't the slowest rush job in history... ;)
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True, it's just fun to watch when the blood sucking monopolists and the frigtarded "all software should be free" crowds play in the same sandbox.
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Just put this on the CP Twitter feed (@thecodeproject). RT @jeffreymcmanus: our pal @andrewbrust: rise of PHP reveals MSFT how dev tools have lost their way "Remembrance of Code Past"[^] My favorite paragraph: "PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft at the game it practically invented. Together, they offer a programming environment with a low barrier to entry, high productivity, more-than-sufficient functionality, low cost and a wildly enthusiastic ecosystem of developers. Dial back to the early 1990s, and that was Microsoft. In the latter part of this decade, it most certainly is not."
Jeff Hadfield wrote:
rise of PHP reveals MSFT how dev tools have lost their way
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jeff Hadfield wrote:
PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft at the game
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The silly stuff they come up with.. Someone has too much time on their hands ;)
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I just had a look, and they are ridiculous. They setting up PHP on a system that's using only MS tech for the webserver, DB, etc. I've used PHP at work and we *never* use it this way, it's too much hassle. Win2K or better, Apache, PHP, and you're good to go. If you want a DB slap MySQL, SQLite, FireBird, etc on it, and you don't have to fight with all the hassle of an Oracle or MS SQL Server setup.
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Jeff Hadfield wrote:
rise of PHP reveals MSFT how dev tools have lost their way
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jeff Hadfield wrote:
PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft at the game
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The silly stuff they come up with.. Someone has too much time on their hands ;)
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That's what I thought as well. However I will admit that we use PHP at work because it's less hassle to setup and program in. However it should be noted that most of our solutions are internal, and tend to be pretty basic.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Maybe they set it all up while he was away on one of his biking trips Big Grin
At first glance I read that as '...one of his bikini trips' :suss:
You really gotta try harder to keep up with everyone that's not on the short bus with you. - John Simmons / outlaw programmer.
He likes to keep those trips a lot more low profile...
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Just put this on the CP Twitter feed (@thecodeproject). RT @jeffreymcmanus: our pal @andrewbrust: rise of PHP reveals MSFT how dev tools have lost their way "Remembrance of Code Past"[^] My favorite paragraph: "PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft at the game it practically invented. Together, they offer a programming environment with a low barrier to entry, high productivity, more-than-sufficient functionality, low cost and a wildly enthusiastic ecosystem of developers. Dial back to the early 1990s, and that was Microsoft. In the latter part of this decade, it most certainly is not."
I love this: " More significantly, Microsoft is struggling to understand how MySQL, the relational database that's "good enough," is stealing an increasing amount of momentum from SQL Server." Yes, I'm sure they're struggling with this. It's free you idiot. And for many quick and dirty applications, that's all you need to know. How does this guy get paid to write this drivel? "There were good reasons for Microsoft to focus on the enterprise." Yep, there sure are: lots, and lots of money. Spent year after year, project after project regardless of success rates or suitability. No mom and pop shop is going to be able to throw money around like a corporation is perfectly happy to do.
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I love this: " More significantly, Microsoft is struggling to understand how MySQL, the relational database that's "good enough," is stealing an increasing amount of momentum from SQL Server." Yes, I'm sure they're struggling with this. It's free you idiot. And for many quick and dirty applications, that's all you need to know. How does this guy get paid to write this drivel? "There were good reasons for Microsoft to focus on the enterprise." Yep, there sure are: lots, and lots of money. Spent year after year, project after project regardless of success rates or suitability. No mom and pop shop is going to be able to throw money around like a corporation is perfectly happy to do.
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Its amazing how some people make it. I have this theory, that the powers that be actually take care of the idiots of this world because the smart ones can take care of themselves.
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Just put this on the CP Twitter feed (@thecodeproject). RT @jeffreymcmanus: our pal @andrewbrust: rise of PHP reveals MSFT how dev tools have lost their way "Remembrance of Code Past"[^] My favorite paragraph: "PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft at the game it practically invented. Together, they offer a programming environment with a low barrier to entry, high productivity, more-than-sufficient functionality, low cost and a wildly enthusiastic ecosystem of developers. Dial back to the early 1990s, and that was Microsoft. In the latter part of this decade, it most certainly is not."
Jeff Hadfield wrote:
PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft
What MySQL? The one soon to be TheirSQL?
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I love this: " More significantly, Microsoft is struggling to understand how MySQL, the relational database that's "good enough," is stealing an increasing amount of momentum from SQL Server." Yes, I'm sure they're struggling with this. It's free you idiot. And for many quick and dirty applications, that's all you need to know. How does this guy get paid to write this drivel? "There were good reasons for Microsoft to focus on the enterprise." Yep, there sure are: lots, and lots of money. Spent year after year, project after project regardless of success rates or suitability. No mom and pop shop is going to be able to throw money around like a corporation is perfectly happy to do.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh
Jim Crafton wrote:
How does this guy get paid to write this drivel?
Oracle money?
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Shog9 wrote:
Don't forget loose typing
you'd better not look at what's coming up for C# 4.0
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Jeff Hadfield wrote:
PHP and MySQL have beaten Microsoft
What MySQL? The one soon to be TheirSQL?
Mladen Jankovic wrote:
The one soon to be TheirSQL?
MySQL is GPL'd, it's not going anywhere.