How much RAM you have?
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leppie wrote:
Of course not Just imagine how snappy everything will be when Windows does not need to ever go to the swap file!
Heh. Interesting, I hadn't thought of that. Since I've already got 4GBs, it will take about $150 to bring me up to 12 GB. That's not too bad! I think I may just do this. Thanks leppie. By the way, why are you running 32-bit OS still?
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Only because I am running Windows VM sometimes. ;)
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harold aptroot wrote:
But Vista is different, even with 12GB it probably still wastes it all
Lol. I think Vista gets bad rep in that department[^]. I must say I'm pretty happy with performance so far, but the thought of 12 GB is just geeking me out. :)
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The cache vs free thing is actually unrelated (naming failure is all it is, "free" should include "cached") I was referring to all the Vista bloat that makes it use 1GB ("total" minus ("free"+"cached")) of RAM to show a desktop, versus 200MB-ish for XP. edit: by the way, I run XP without swap. Much faster.
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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8 gig on a dual quad core xeno :-D if I only had a job I wouldn't be thinking of selling it :(
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leppie wrote:
Just imagine how snappy everything will be when Windows does not need to ever go to the swap file!
That raises an interesting question I've been thinking about for a while. Given the amount of RAM that a lot of people have, what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
I will let you, but it gives a warning that it should be at least the size of the RAM. This will only be used in case of BSOD for a full memory dump. If you can live with the mini dump (that is 64kb I think), you can probably get away with a 1mb, not sure if it will take 0.
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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Judah Himango wrote:
How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
At work - 8 Gb. At home (not a dedicated dev machine but I do some programming on it) - 2Gb (x86)
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Do you feel and improvement from 4gb to 6gb?
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My main machine was the desktop so I went from 2 to 6, and I definitely noticed that gain. The Acer only got 4gb because DDR2 was silly cheap. Going from 1 to 4 on it fixed the vista performance issues I'd had. The i7 has 6gb because it's triple channel, and I I figured I'd need more than that before I retired it (I was hitting 2.5ish gb peaks on my old system). As fast as DDR3 prices have fallen I'm now wishing I only bought 3gb of slower (1333) ram when I built it, and swapped in 6gb of fast ram (1600+) now that it's almost as cheap as DDR2. The i7 is much faster than the acer, but since it's got 8x the CPU throughput, 100X(??? gma945 vs GTX260-216) the GPU throughput, and a significantly faster HD as well I'm not sure how much is from the ram. IIRC I've gotten above 4gb of ram used so it's definitely helping some.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill?
Can Vista even use that much? See here.
Judah Himango wrote:
How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
I don't develop on Vista. The Vista laptop I do use, however, has 2GB. It's slow starting and doing other tasks. If I used it more, I would consider bumping it up to 3GB.
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DavidCrow wrote:
Judah Himango wrote: Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? Can Vista even use that much? See here.
The better x64 versions can. Basic does 8gb; Premium 16gb; Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate all support 128gb. Server08 can support upto 2TB of ram. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-Maximum-Supported-RAM-44487.shtml[^] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/cc196364.aspx[^]
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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I have 8, but can go to 16...
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leppie wrote:
Just imagine how snappy everything will be when Windows does not need to ever go to the swap file!
That raises an interesting question I've been thinking about for a while. Given the amount of RAM that a lot of people have, what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
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You can, but you'll run into occasional problems. IF you ever do exceed your physical ram forcing windows to create a swap on the fly performance will crawl while it does so. Even if you don't there're apps whose devs think they're much 'cleverer' than MS devs and force their app to swap data to the HD. They tend to blow up if there's not a swap file available for them to be stupid with.
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I have 8, but can go to 16...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001This is getting a bit Macho isn't it! :) I can smell the testosterone in the air here... "Yeah well, 8's ok, but really 16 is needed if you want to make real headway!" Why would you need 16 at the moment? Could you fill it?
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dan neely wrote:
I920@3.85
Impressive, what's your cooling on that?
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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The "smallest" machine (the only 32 bit one left) has 3GB, all the rest range between 6 and 12 and if I could slot more in I'd do it.
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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I have 12 GB on both of my workstations. But, I run VMs for functional and deployment testing. When I moved to this set up I went from having roughly 4 to 6 systems running at a time to 2 to 3. The third machine comes in when it's time for final deployment testing. VMs are great but sometimes you will run into a snag if you don't test on a real environment.
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4GB, for XP x64. I bought it over a year ago, I thought I'd have to upgrade by this time.. but I don't. 4GB is still enormous overkill. I almost never need more than 2GB. But Vista is different, even with 12GB it probably still wastes it all. I've heard weven is better in this regard.
harold aptroot wrote:
But Vista is different, even with 12GB it probably still wastes it all. I've heard weven is better in this regard.
My weven VMs (one on XP, one on OS X) run Visual Studio happily with 1.5GB - guess that's better than Vista?
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This is getting a bit Macho isn't it! :) I can smell the testosterone in the air here... "Yeah well, 8's ok, but really 16 is needed if you want to make real headway!" Why would you need 16 at the moment? Could you fill it?
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Virtualization. You can seriously cut down the number of physical machines you need with good fast hard drives and oodles of ram.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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leppie wrote:
Just imagine how snappy everything will be when Windows does not need to ever go to the swap file!
That raises an interesting question I've been thinking about for a while. Given the amount of RAM that a lot of people have, what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
I will let you, but it gives a warning that it should be at least the size of the RAM. This will only be used in case of BSOD for a full memory dump. If you can live with the mini dump (that is 64kb I think), you can probably get away with a 1mb, not sure if it will take 0.
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DavidCrow wrote:
Judah Himango wrote: Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? Can Vista even use that much? See here.
The better x64 versions can. Basic does 8gb; Premium 16gb; Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate all support 128gb. Server08 can support upto 2TB of ram. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-Maximum-Supported-RAM-44487.shtml[^] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/cc196364.aspx[^]
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I'm running ultimate, so 128 GB here I come! (I wish! :))
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The cache vs free thing is actually unrelated (naming failure is all it is, "free" should include "cached") I was referring to all the Vista bloat that makes it use 1GB ("total" minus ("free"+"cached")) of RAM to show a desktop, versus 200MB-ish for XP. edit: by the way, I run XP without swap. Much faster.
Alright, that's true. But it wouldn't eat 12 GBs. :-) (It runs like a charm on 4GB!)
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