How much RAM you have?
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Judah Himango wrote:
Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill?
Can Vista even use that much? See here.
Judah Himango wrote:
How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
I don't develop on Vista. The Vista laptop I do use, however, has 2GB. It's slow starting and doing other tasks. If I used it more, I would consider bumping it up to 3GB.
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DavidCrow wrote:
Judah Himango wrote: Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? Can Vista even use that much? See here.
The better x64 versions can. Basic does 8gb; Premium 16gb; Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate all support 128gb. Server08 can support upto 2TB of ram. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-Maximum-Supported-RAM-44487.shtml[^] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/cc196364.aspx[^]
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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I have 8, but can go to 16...
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leppie wrote:
Just imagine how snappy everything will be when Windows does not need to ever go to the swap file!
That raises an interesting question I've been thinking about for a while. Given the amount of RAM that a lot of people have, what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
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You can, but you'll run into occasional problems. IF you ever do exceed your physical ram forcing windows to create a swap on the fly performance will crawl while it does so. Even if you don't there're apps whose devs think they're much 'cleverer' than MS devs and force their app to swap data to the HD. They tend to blow up if there's not a swap file available for them to be stupid with.
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I have 8, but can go to 16...
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001This is getting a bit Macho isn't it! :) I can smell the testosterone in the air here... "Yeah well, 8's ok, but really 16 is needed if you want to make real headway!" Why would you need 16 at the moment? Could you fill it?
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dan neely wrote:
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Impressive, what's your cooling on that?
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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The "smallest" machine (the only 32 bit one left) has 3GB, all the rest range between 6 and 12 and if I could slot more in I'd do it.
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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I have 12 GB on both of my workstations. But, I run VMs for functional and deployment testing. When I moved to this set up I went from having roughly 4 to 6 systems running at a time to 2 to 3. The third machine comes in when it's time for final deployment testing. VMs are great but sometimes you will run into a snag if you don't test on a real environment.
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4GB, for XP x64. I bought it over a year ago, I thought I'd have to upgrade by this time.. but I don't. 4GB is still enormous overkill. I almost never need more than 2GB. But Vista is different, even with 12GB it probably still wastes it all. I've heard weven is better in this regard.
harold aptroot wrote:
But Vista is different, even with 12GB it probably still wastes it all. I've heard weven is better in this regard.
My weven VMs (one on XP, one on OS X) run Visual Studio happily with 1.5GB - guess that's better than Vista?
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This is getting a bit Macho isn't it! :) I can smell the testosterone in the air here... "Yeah well, 8's ok, but really 16 is needed if you want to make real headway!" Why would you need 16 at the moment? Could you fill it?
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Virtualization. You can seriously cut down the number of physical machines you need with good fast hard drives and oodles of ram.
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leppie wrote:
Just imagine how snappy everything will be when Windows does not need to ever go to the swap file!
That raises an interesting question I've been thinking about for a while. Given the amount of RAM that a lot of people have, what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
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Jim Crafton wrote:
what would happen if you just set the Swap file size to 0? Does Windows run faster? Will it even let you do this?
I will let you, but it gives a warning that it should be at least the size of the RAM. This will only be used in case of BSOD for a full memory dump. If you can live with the mini dump (that is 64kb I think), you can probably get away with a 1mb, not sure if it will take 0.
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DavidCrow wrote:
Judah Himango wrote: Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? Can Vista even use that much? See here.
The better x64 versions can. Basic does 8gb; Premium 16gb; Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate all support 128gb. Server08 can support upto 2TB of ram. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-Maximum-Supported-RAM-44487.shtml[^] http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/cc196364.aspx[^]
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I'm running ultimate, so 128 GB here I come! (I wish! :))
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The cache vs free thing is actually unrelated (naming failure is all it is, "free" should include "cached") I was referring to all the Vista bloat that makes it use 1GB ("total" minus ("free"+"cached")) of RAM to show a desktop, versus 200MB-ish for XP. edit: by the way, I run XP without swap. Much faster.
Alright, that's true. But it wouldn't eat 12 GBs. :-) (It runs like a charm on 4GB!)
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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4GB on the server, 4 GB on the laptop, 8GB on the workstation. I've had to be prepared for the moment where I needed to run a few VMs while playing Duke Nukem Forever. Well, until yesterday, that is...
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Virtualization. You can seriously cut down the number of physical machines you need with good fast hard drives and oodles of ram.
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Only if your physical machines are all under light CPU loads. Virtualizing boxes running DC apps is a largely futile exercise.
It is a truth universally acknowledged that a zombie in possession of brains must be in want of more brains. -- Pride and Prejudice and Zombies
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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Judah Himango wrote:
Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
6GB went from 2GB up to 6GB and noticed a fast improvement, however I don't think that I've maxed it out yet but then I only tend to have one or two copies of VS open at one time. [edit]And sometimes 4 or 5 VMs[/edit]
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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I have 6GB of memory on the home desktop (running 64 bit gentoo linux). This is all I need except most of the time however it would speed up things when I transcode a 4hr analog show if I either had more ram or a had a SSD. It's 6GB instead of 8GB because I got the 2.83 GHz Core2 quad + Q9550 CPU + motherboard (ASUS P5QPRO) and 2GB memory in a bundle for under $300 with the help of microsoft live.com on Black Friday. I added another 4GB of memory and a ANTEC 650W 80+ powersupply for less than $100 for both which brought the total to around $400 US for the whole upgrade.
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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The more, the better. I just upgraded my home machine from 2 to 8 gigs. Turned out that 2 gigs is enough for Visual Studio 2008/C#, but near enough for that and SQL Server 2008. After the upgrade, everything is running very smoothly. I have 8 gigs in my work station. It's a quad core something, including a mirrored raid drive. I have C: for system components only, D: (mirrored raid) for compilation only. It's oversized (700 gigs), so that it won't fragment itself into fubarishness, and E: for apps. It's so crazy fast, it's just silly. Honestly, for the first time, I think I will be able to handle the next version of Visual Studio without having to upgrade.
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So I posted on CP last week about my Vista machine blue screening. It came down to a memory error. Someone suggested blowing the dust out of the RAM slots and swapping the 2 sticks. Good news: it seemed to work! I've been running for 2 days now without any blue screens, and the memory error detection tool in Vista can't find any errors. Wahooo! But it got me thinking: I'm running x64 with 4GB of RAM (2 sticks of 2GB each). I've got 6 slots for RAM, so I could theoretically load it up with 12 GB if I bought the cheap 2GB sticks. Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill? How much RAM do you guys have for your dev machines at home?
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Judah Himango wrote:
Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill?
Of course, since "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anyone" (I've never confirmed though if that was really said). However, I just got a machine with 12GB DDR3 RAM in it, and it runs real nice. Vista and the Win7 RC don't even think about anything, they just do. Makes my work laptop with a "measly" 4GB of RAM feel pretty slow now! The motherboard on the new system can take up to 24GB of RAM, so it's going to get an upgrade when I can get my hands on 6 of those 4GB sticks. The main reason behind wanting so much RAM is for virtualization and some of the newer Microsoft operating systems... SBS 2008 runs through the Windows install just fine, but once the SBS component installation is started, you're screwed unless you have at least 4GB of RAM in the system as it halts the installation at that point. So if you want/need to play with Small Business or Essentials Business Server 2008 without having to buy 2 or 4 computers, virtualization is the next best thing, and you're going to need the RAM for virutal machines, let alone the host operating system.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Is 12 gigs of RAM overkill?
Of course, since "640K of RAM ought to be enough for anyone" (I've never confirmed though if that was really said). However, I just got a machine with 12GB DDR3 RAM in it, and it runs real nice. Vista and the Win7 RC don't even think about anything, they just do. Makes my work laptop with a "measly" 4GB of RAM feel pretty slow now! The motherboard on the new system can take up to 24GB of RAM, so it's going to get an upgrade when I can get my hands on 6 of those 4GB sticks. The main reason behind wanting so much RAM is for virtualization and some of the newer Microsoft operating systems... SBS 2008 runs through the Windows install just fine, but once the SBS component installation is started, you're screwed unless you have at least 4GB of RAM in the system as it halts the installation at that point. So if you want/need to play with Small Business or Essentials Business Server 2008 without having to buy 2 or 4 computers, virtualization is the next best thing, and you're going to need the RAM for virutal machines, let alone the host operating system.
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Luke Lovegrove wrote:
(I've never confirmed though if that was really said).
It's a well known hoax, Gates didn't really say that.
Luke Lovegrove wrote:
However, I just got a machine with 12GB DDR3 RAM in it, and it runs real nice. Vista and the Win7 RC don't even think about anything, they just do. Makes my work laptop with a "measly" 4GB of RAM feel pretty slow now!
I'm green with geek envy! And for only $150 I can get upgrade to 12GB (given I have 4GB now). That's not a bad deal. I just might do it.
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