When will MS axe XP support?
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Do you think nerds around the world will riot when this happens? Will the entire interwebs come crumbling down in defiance or will XP just go softly into the night? Weven takes more resources than XP to run correct? I can't imagine all those grandmas are going to upgrade their computers still running XP just because Gates and Seinfeld come back with another horrible commercial.
Todd Smith
You could just use it without "support" - so what is all the talk about the End of the World about? People will still use it when it's not supported anymore. I will continue to use XP x64 until Weven (or Weight or later) proves to be better, with my own definition of better which is too complex to quickly post. I may still like XP better by the time it loses support, or maybe not, who knows? It's the future.. By the way, for anyone wondering how to get rid of that crazy "System partition" (wrong! every partition is MY partition, since it's MY harddisk!), you can not un-create it, but you can delete the Other Partition and then expand the "system" partition to fill as much space as you want - later after it's installed you can take ownership over the root and happily control all your files. Rejoice, your bytes are yours again, the way it should be.
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You could just use it without "support" - so what is all the talk about the End of the World about? People will still use it when it's not supported anymore. I will continue to use XP x64 until Weven (or Weight or later) proves to be better, with my own definition of better which is too complex to quickly post. I may still like XP better by the time it loses support, or maybe not, who knows? It's the future.. By the way, for anyone wondering how to get rid of that crazy "System partition" (wrong! every partition is MY partition, since it's MY harddisk!), you can not un-create it, but you can delete the Other Partition and then expand the "system" partition to fill as much space as you want - later after it's installed you can take ownership over the root and happily control all your files. Rejoice, your bytes are yours again, the way it should be.
By support I mostly mean patches for security related issues.
Todd Smith
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By support I mostly mean patches for security related issues.
Todd Smith
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XP Mode is one of the most pointless features of Weven. I haven't run into anything yet that requires me to use XP Mode.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
XP Mode is one of the most pointless features of Weven. I haven't run into anything yet that requires me to use XP Mode.
Maybe you don't have any hanging around but support for 16 bit programs is probably the main consideration.
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I hope they never will stop supporting it:~ I remember when it first came out everyone complained about it saying Win98/2000 was better, but now everyone complains about Vista and 7 and says XP is better :laugh:
If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Im so confused...
Lloyd Atkinson©☺ wrote:
I remember when it first came out everyone complained about it saying Win98/2000 was better, but now everyone complains about Vista and 7 and says XP is better
People just don't like to change regardless of if the change is good or not, they just don't like to change.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
XP Mode is one of the most pointless features of Weven. I haven't run into anything yet that requires me to use XP Mode.
Maybe you don't have any hanging around but support for 16 bit programs is probably the main consideration.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesNope - I dumped all my 16-bit stuff when I moved to Win64 (a couple of years ago).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
As some earlier pointed out, the official chart lists 2014 for extended support. OEMS who request it, got an extension to 2010 to install XP (probably to cover the Windows 7 release.) However, full support already ended two months ago and the world didn't end. For those who wring their hands, this is what happened with DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 98, NT 4 and to a smaller extent W2K. (The Embedded XP incarnation of Windows Embedded support expires in 2017.)
Joe Woodbury wrote:
For those who wring their hands, this is what happened with DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 98, NT 4 and to a smaller extent W2K.
This is a point I bring up whenever someone says they they don't want to move forward. I ask them if they would prefer to be using the 3.11 interface. Products evolve, usually for the better.
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Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
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By support I mostly mean patches for security related issues.
Todd Smith
Todd Smith wrote:
By support I mostly mean patches for security related issues.
An excellent reason to upgrade. I remember when WinXP SP1 came out and people were grousing about if they should install it or not. I always pointed out the gazillion security updates they would have to install manually if they didn't update. That usually motivated them to install the service pack.
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Pah, I still run a combination of XP, Windows 95, Amiga OS 3.0 and Amiga OS 1.3 depending on what I'm doing. What does XP support mean anyway? Is it something to do with product activation or getting new licenses? Could always go back to Win 2000 I guess.
Dave Parker wrote:
What does XP support mean anyway?
Security updates, drivers, service packs...
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harold aptroot wrote:
Well if I wanted security I would be using Linux
Linux (the kernel) is pretty secure these days, but you usually want more than the kernel and that's when the problems start. A typical Linux desktop distro is no more secure than Windows.
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
For those who wring their hands, this is what happened with DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 98, NT 4 and to a smaller extent W2K.
This is a point I bring up whenever someone says they they don't want to move forward. I ask them if they would prefer to be using the 3.11 interface. Products evolve, usually for the better.
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
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Nope - I dumped all my 16-bit stuff when I moved to Win64 (a couple of years ago).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001How did you find that transition? I'm considering installing Weven-x64, but I can remember reading quite a few bad reviews of XP-x64 a few years ago (mostly about bad device drivers.) Have you experienced anything like those problems?
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
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How did you find that transition? I'm considering installing Weven-x64, but I can remember reading quite a few bad reviews of XP-x64 a few years ago (mostly about bad device drivers.) Have you experienced anything like those problems?
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Used both Vista x64 and Weven x64 and no issues bar an obscure GPS driver. In fact I never had problems with Vista. I think largely because I was running a x64 bit one (which appears to be a bit faster on the same machine [64 bit capable]) and made sure all the 64 bit drivers were available for my hardware.
I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder
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How did you find that transition? I'm considering installing Weven-x64, but I can remember reading quite a few bad reviews of XP-x64 a few years ago (mostly about bad device drivers.) Have you experienced anything like those problems?
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Well, I switched to XP64 a couple of years ago, and the only thing I really miss is Jezzball. An no, I'm not interested in the Flash version of it. Most modern hardware has XP64 bit and Vista64 bit drivers available, I haven't had any hiccups, even with my printers or my laptop.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
harold aptroot wrote:
Well if I wanted security I would be using Linux
Linux (the kernel) is pretty secure these days, but you usually want more than the kernel and that's when the problems start. A typical Linux desktop distro is no more secure than Windows.
Let me introduce you to the safest kernel on earth:
void main()
{
printf("Hello World!");
return 0;
};)
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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Dave Parker wrote:
What does XP support mean anyway?
Security updates, drivers, service packs...
So this means an entire team shall be disbanded and re-allocated at this time. Wonder wether they'll do a big feast, burn some straw man or what. :)
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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Do you think nerds around the world will riot when this happens? Will the entire interwebs come crumbling down in defiance or will XP just go softly into the night? Weven takes more resources than XP to run correct? I can't imagine all those grandmas are going to upgrade their computers still running XP just because Gates and Seinfeld come back with another horrible commercial.
Todd Smith
Todd Smith wrote:
I can't imagine all those grandmas are going to upgrade their computers still running XP just because Gates and Seinfeld come back with another horrible commercial.
Haven't you seen the new commercials? They feature "average people" gushing about how cheap PCs are. Look for one featuring an elderly woman on a fixed income to air shortly...
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Long after the end of the Mayan calendar. Given that fact, I doubt any of us will live to see Microsoft stop shipping XP.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Long after the end of the Mayan calendar.
Hi John, I have just read that Microsoft is currently early alpha-ing a preview of "Mayan Calendar Vista Aero" to selected developers under strictest NDA's. Supposedly this is a smokescreen designed to hide the fact that the real product "Mayan Calendar Eleven Aero Lunar" will ship with Weven, and will last at least until the first Weven service pack at which point the user can upgrade via payment of US $66 dollars, or make a video of them sacrificing a virgin to the moon Goddess, Coyolxauhqui. A unique feature of Mayan Calendar Eleven Aero Lunar" is the extension of working days into holidays, so that all holidays become transparent, and cease to exist. Also the traditional "nag" feature has been replaced by a new secret software feature called the "carp" feature. I have it on good authority that Christian Graus is working sub-rosa, with MS on this project, and that many of his posts here are actually probes. best, Bill
"Many : not conversant with mathematical studies, imagine that because it [the Analytical Engine] is to give results in numerical notation, its processes must consequently be arithmetical, numerical, rather than algebraical and analytical. This is an error. The engine can arrange and combine numerical quantities as if they were letters or any other general symbols; and it fact it might bring out its results in algebraical notation, were provisions made accordingly." Ada, Countess Lovelace, 1844
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By support I mostly mean patches for security related issues.
Todd Smith
Todd Smith wrote:
patches for security related issues
If one has a firewall on their router, and uses Mozilla instead of Outlook and IE, I doubt an average person should be concerned about security patches.
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I hope they never will stop supporting it:~ I remember when it first came out everyone complained about it saying Win98/2000 was better, but now everyone complains about Vista and 7 and says XP is better :laugh:
If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Im so confused...
512MB of RAM just to run operating system (for win7) compared to 32MB of RAM to run XP is just terrible. How could one operating system still be operating system, since it uses so much memory? Even with better PC, win7/vista do much more work, than normal OS must normally does. Now we are all starting to give tip and trick for their optimization. Anyway win98 was not stable, but XP is.
