When will MS axe XP support?
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harold aptroot wrote:
Well if I wanted security I would be using Linux
Linux (the kernel) is pretty secure these days, but you usually want more than the kernel and that's when the problems start. A typical Linux desktop distro is no more secure than Windows.
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
For those who wring their hands, this is what happened with DOS, Windows 3.x, Windows 98, NT 4 and to a smaller extent W2K.
This is a point I bring up whenever someone says they they don't want to move forward. I ask them if they would prefer to be using the 3.11 interface. Products evolve, usually for the better.
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Nope - I dumped all my 16-bit stuff when I moved to Win64 (a couple of years ago).
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001How did you find that transition? I'm considering installing Weven-x64, but I can remember reading quite a few bad reviews of XP-x64 a few years ago (mostly about bad device drivers.) Have you experienced anything like those problems?
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How did you find that transition? I'm considering installing Weven-x64, but I can remember reading quite a few bad reviews of XP-x64 a few years ago (mostly about bad device drivers.) Have you experienced anything like those problems?
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Used both Vista x64 and Weven x64 and no issues bar an obscure GPS driver. In fact I never had problems with Vista. I think largely because I was running a x64 bit one (which appears to be a bit faster on the same machine [64 bit capable]) and made sure all the 64 bit drivers were available for my hardware.
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How did you find that transition? I'm considering installing Weven-x64, but I can remember reading quite a few bad reviews of XP-x64 a few years ago (mostly about bad device drivers.) Have you experienced anything like those problems?
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
Well, I switched to XP64 a couple of years ago, and the only thing I really miss is Jezzball. An no, I'm not interested in the Flash version of it. Most modern hardware has XP64 bit and Vista64 bit drivers available, I haven't had any hiccups, even with my printers or my laptop.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
harold aptroot wrote:
Well if I wanted security I would be using Linux
Linux (the kernel) is pretty secure these days, but you usually want more than the kernel and that's when the problems start. A typical Linux desktop distro is no more secure than Windows.
Let me introduce you to the safest kernel on earth:
void main()
{
printf("Hello World!");
return 0;
};)
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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Dave Parker wrote:
What does XP support mean anyway?
Security updates, drivers, service packs...
So this means an entire team shall be disbanded and re-allocated at this time. Wonder wether they'll do a big feast, burn some straw man or what. :)
You can't turn lead into gold, unless you've built yourself a nuclear plant.
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Do you think nerds around the world will riot when this happens? Will the entire interwebs come crumbling down in defiance or will XP just go softly into the night? Weven takes more resources than XP to run correct? I can't imagine all those grandmas are going to upgrade their computers still running XP just because Gates and Seinfeld come back with another horrible commercial.
Todd Smith
Todd Smith wrote:
I can't imagine all those grandmas are going to upgrade their computers still running XP just because Gates and Seinfeld come back with another horrible commercial.
Haven't you seen the new commercials? They feature "average people" gushing about how cheap PCs are. Look for one featuring an elderly woman on a fixed income to air shortly...
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Long after the end of the Mayan calendar. Given that fact, I doubt any of us will live to see Microsoft stop shipping XP.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Long after the end of the Mayan calendar.
Hi John, I have just read that Microsoft is currently early alpha-ing a preview of "Mayan Calendar Vista Aero" to selected developers under strictest NDA's. Supposedly this is a smokescreen designed to hide the fact that the real product "Mayan Calendar Eleven Aero Lunar" will ship with Weven, and will last at least until the first Weven service pack at which point the user can upgrade via payment of US $66 dollars, or make a video of them sacrificing a virgin to the moon Goddess, Coyolxauhqui. A unique feature of Mayan Calendar Eleven Aero Lunar" is the extension of working days into holidays, so that all holidays become transparent, and cease to exist. Also the traditional "nag" feature has been replaced by a new secret software feature called the "carp" feature. I have it on good authority that Christian Graus is working sub-rosa, with MS on this project, and that many of his posts here are actually probes. best, Bill
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By support I mostly mean patches for security related issues.
Todd Smith
Todd Smith wrote:
patches for security related issues
If one has a firewall on their router, and uses Mozilla instead of Outlook and IE, I doubt an average person should be concerned about security patches.
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I hope they never will stop supporting it:~ I remember when it first came out everyone complained about it saying Win98/2000 was better, but now everyone complains about Vista and 7 and says XP is better :laugh:
If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Im so confused...
512MB of RAM just to run operating system (for win7) compared to 32MB of RAM to run XP is just terrible. How could one operating system still be operating system, since it uses so much memory? Even with better PC, win7/vista do much more work, than normal OS must normally does. Now we are all starting to give tip and trick for their optimization. Anyway win98 was not stable, but XP is.
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I still use XP, partly because it keeps me in sync. with things at work and partly because no sooner is Weven out then there is talk aobut the NEXT Windows.
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I would think that by the time Weven overtakes XP the extra resources required will be standard for low end machines. The Grannies et al. can and will continue to run XP regardless, until their machines expire that is. That's when the trouble will start, for any one with a Silver-Surfer in the family, I can just hear the support calls now.
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Henry Minute wrote:
I would think that by the time Weven overtakes XP the extra resources required will be standard for low end machines.
I think that's already the case. Can't remember the last time I saw a new machine spec with less than 1GB of RAM.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
XP Mode is one of the most pointless features of Weven. I haven't run into anything yet that requires me to use XP Mode.
Maybe you don't have any hanging around but support for 16 bit programs is probably the main consideration.
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It is because it evolves over a period of time. When something has evolved, and is very stable, MS comes out with another version which isn't as good.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
MS comes out with another version which isn't as good
Windows 7 is at least as good as XP!
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512MB of RAM just to run operating system (for win7) compared to 32MB of RAM to run XP is just terrible. How could one operating system still be operating system, since it uses so much memory? Even with better PC, win7/vista do much more work, than normal OS must normally does. Now we are all starting to give tip and trick for their optimization. Anyway win98 was not stable, but XP is.
IlluminateBG wrote:
512MB of RAM just to run operating system (for win7) compared to 32MB of RAM to run XP
Where did you get those figures from? I started with 128MB on XP and had to upgrade to 256MB and then to 512MB to make the machine responsive while developing.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Well if I wanted security I would be using Linux
Linux (the kernel) is pretty secure these days, but you usually want more than the kernel and that's when the problems start. A typical Linux desktop distro is no more secure than Windows.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
A typical Linux desktop distro is no more secure than Windows.
Yes it is! What hacker / virus writer would target an O/S run by less than 10% of users when you could target an O/S used by more than 90% of users.:)
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
MS comes out with another version which isn't as good
Windows 7 is at least as good as XP!
I agree. I like 7 very much as well. But my reply was to defend the whole of the mass who hated Vista in specific (which includes me). :)
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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Todd Smith wrote:
patches for security related issues
If one has a firewall on their router, and uses Mozilla instead of Outlook and IE, I doubt an average person should be concerned about security patches.
@dmitri_sps http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/[^] I'd actually regard IE 8 in secure mode as one of the safest browsers around. Simply because MSFT have had more time to practice being secure after taking hits for so long. :P Safari auto loads and runs .dmg files.. FF has had 2 critical vulns this month alone. :P <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">dmitri_sps wrote:</div>I doubt an average person should be concerned about security patches</blockquote> Ya know that really big worm everyones going on about? Conficker? That worm that has the pentagon worried because of the sheer amount of computers that it has under it's control? Yea, the security patch for that was released before the bug came out. :P Several months before actually. MSFT is really good like that, they release patches very often, and release emergency patches for critical vulnerabilites. It's Apple that says 'we'll get around to doing it later'. (.dmg vuln is found in Safari, Apple says they will be releasing a patch a month later) Lesson to learn here, apart from how I dislike Apple :P, patch your computers. Run a firewall for sure, but make sure your programs, OS, etc are fully up to date. No offence, but you're an idiot if you think you can get by without patching. Back to original post, MSFT will axe support as soon as they can direct businesses onto 7. :P I personally prefer Vista over XP. I'm running Win XP Pro, upgraded to Vista Ultimate and everything ran better. Better being an understatement.. Speed improved, everything ran smoother, I had better compatibility with devices.. And it looks cooler. XP is just blocky. Unfortunately, Vista didn't like my activation number and, after several hours on the phone with MSFT and emailing the supplier, I'm back on XP. But even with that issue, I still rate Vista as higher quality than XP. Customer support is pathetic but the OS is good. :P Vista is also much more secure, if only because of XP's age. Quite a few new attack vectors have been found since XP was released, and while it's an extremely stable OS, it's getting a bit frayed round the edges. And the more people using XP = the less people using 7, which means less revenue, and the more security issues MSFT has. At least if they officially axe support then people can't blame them for downloading a virus. At a guess, I'd say it will be 6 months or
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IlluminateBG wrote:
512MB of RAM just to run operating system (for win7) compared to 32MB of RAM to run XP
Where did you get those figures from? I started with 128MB on XP and had to upgrade to 256MB and then to 512MB to make the machine responsive while developing.
It is the minimum. If you have 16MB of RAM you cannot install XP. If you have for example 384MB of RAM you cannot install win7. (unless special patch/edition). That is required by the kernel and main system processes and the computer will be responsive if you do not execute any programs. Obliviously you need some more RAM to run programs normally. I wonder when will microsoft realize that for good OS most things must be in user environment, not in system environment. That's why their new OSes so heavy.
