Windows performance
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No, his Mum is getting his child's old machine: "I should probably mention my kid's old box, a Celeron 2200 with 256M ram, is going to my mom, and her Celeron 900 is probably going to my domestic worker."
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ThePotty1 wrote:
I'd also like to know if Vista, and by extension windows 7, still suffer from this, or if it's miraculously gone away?
So long as there are users who fill their computer with rubbish, visit dodgy websites and click on anything that looks pretty enough, this problem will exist. The last time I had a PC at home it lasted as long as I owned it, about 5 years, on it's original install, because I looked after it.
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I try to run a lot of software in a virtual PC to keep it self contained. Still, all those windows updates alone are enough to clog up a PC pretty quick.
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ThePotty1 wrote:
I'd also like to know if Vista, and by extension windows 7, still suffer from this, or if it's miraculously gone away?
So long as there are users who fill their computer with rubbish, visit dodgy websites and click on anything that looks pretty enough, this problem will exist. The last time I had a PC at home it lasted as long as I owned it, about 5 years, on it's original install, because I looked after it.
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Phannon wrote:
ecause I looked after it
Never used the interweb (except for CP of course), never installed any games, had nothing except office on it and never installed any interesting new stuff.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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My experience of the windows OS is that it runs pretty well for 2-3 years, and then sorta slows down for no obvious reason. You can nurse it along by dumping temp files, defragmenting, and perhaps (god help us) running a registry cleaner, but really you're gonna have to format and re-install sooner rather than later. My laptop has reached this point. It's a 3 year old core 2 duo with 2G ram running XP, but boots slower than the 2000 box I've just set up for my kids, even though that's a 6 year old AMD 1600+ with 1G. A pre-emptive disclaimer, this isn't an attack on windows, I know windows, I develop for windows, mostly I like windows. I am about to try a linux dual-boot, but expect to still mostly use XP. So, any comments? Do you upgrade your hardware often enough never to notice this, or do you, like me, nurse what you have for a decade after it's paid for itself? I should probably mention my kid's old box, a Celeron 2200 with 256M ram, is going to my mom, and her Celeron 900 is probably going to my domestic worker. ;P I'd also like to know if Vista, and by extension windows 7, still suffer from this, or if it's miraculously gone away?
2-3 years seems is pretty close to my experience too. I tink that the slow down is mostly due to the registry caking up with rubbish from disused and/or removed apps whose installers don't remove everything. Personally every 3-4 years I build a new machine, so far it hasn't been worth recylcing any of the components as the hardware has moved on so much in the mean time. Like you I tend to move my old machines on. You could consider using your old machine as a NAS. As a side note, I bought a cheap end-of-stock Acer Aspire one with 120GB HDD about a year ago. It can with a version of Linux called Linplus on (which was erm, restrictive, to say the least.). After a bit of research on went Fedora 10, Open office and a few development tools (all free). Given that the unit has a mighty 1.6GHz atom processor the performance was fairly good (but not fast). The other thing I've found that once I'd got a stable installation, it stayed stable and the performance has not started to degrade.
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Phannon wrote:
ecause I looked after it
Never used the interweb (except for CP of course), never installed any games, had nothing except office on it and never installed any interesting new stuff.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I wonder how many people are that paranoid they actually do that. In all seriousness though, in those days I had yet to discover CP :omg: and it was a gaming rig :)
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Phannon wrote:
wonder how many people are that paranoid
Not may I suspect, most that I know have so little paranoia that they are probably bots anyway. I do like to take my beanie out and polish it occasionally.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Steve Thresher wrote:
WTF! Why?
Once the Computer Gremlins/Critters have invaded the PC and deposited their eggs it takes 18 months for the young to hatch. Re-formatting gets rid of them. It's like bug spray.
The sad thing is that someone out there would actually believe that explanation :sigh:
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Lives in SA, different culture, domestics are common there (as they are in Singapore :-O )
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
Lives in SA, different culture
yeah, with no minimum wage I'm guessing!
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Lives in SA, different culture, domestics are common there (as they are in Singapore :-O )
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Ditto the Middle East, though I still can't get used to the idea.
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I tend to find that my machine works absolutely fine until a newer version of Windows can be seen on the horizon - the it starts to slow up. Although this is probably just a coincidence. ... Nah, it's definitely a global conspiracy involving everyone from the President of the USA to that fella round the corner who sells newspapers... ... Ohh, sorry just been reading some of the Back Room posts. I'll stop that.
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
Nah, it's definitely a global conspiracy involving everyone from the President of the USA to that fella round the corner who sells newspapers...
channelling CSS?
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My experience of the windows OS is that it runs pretty well for 2-3 years, and then sorta slows down for no obvious reason. You can nurse it along by dumping temp files, defragmenting, and perhaps (god help us) running a registry cleaner, but really you're gonna have to format and re-install sooner rather than later. My laptop has reached this point. It's a 3 year old core 2 duo with 2G ram running XP, but boots slower than the 2000 box I've just set up for my kids, even though that's a 6 year old AMD 1600+ with 1G. A pre-emptive disclaimer, this isn't an attack on windows, I know windows, I develop for windows, mostly I like windows. I am about to try a linux dual-boot, but expect to still mostly use XP. So, any comments? Do you upgrade your hardware often enough never to notice this, or do you, like me, nurse what you have for a decade after it's paid for itself? I should probably mention my kid's old box, a Celeron 2200 with 256M ram, is going to my mom, and her Celeron 900 is probably going to my domestic worker. ;P I'd also like to know if Vista, and by extension windows 7, still suffer from this, or if it's miraculously gone away?
I't not the OS's fault, at least for the most part. Next time you get ready to reinstall because your system is slow, run msconfig and make a record of the programs in the startup tab. Do the same after a reinstall; the difference will startle you. Too many software suppliers install their own "tray notification" and/or"autoupdater" aps that run all the time, stealing a few clock cycles. After a while the sum total is a noticeable burden on the stuff you want to use. This is compounded by disk and registry fragmentation, the result of years of updates, installs and uninstalls.
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Ditto the Middle East, though I still can't get used to the idea.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Ditto the Middle East, though I still can't get used to the idea.
Never mind Mustafa, you'll get a better job soon, I'm sure! :-D
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My experience of the windows OS is that it runs pretty well for 2-3 years, and then sorta slows down for no obvious reason. You can nurse it along by dumping temp files, defragmenting, and perhaps (god help us) running a registry cleaner, but really you're gonna have to format and re-install sooner rather than later. My laptop has reached this point. It's a 3 year old core 2 duo with 2G ram running XP, but boots slower than the 2000 box I've just set up for my kids, even though that's a 6 year old AMD 1600+ with 1G. A pre-emptive disclaimer, this isn't an attack on windows, I know windows, I develop for windows, mostly I like windows. I am about to try a linux dual-boot, but expect to still mostly use XP. So, any comments? Do you upgrade your hardware often enough never to notice this, or do you, like me, nurse what you have for a decade after it's paid for itself? I should probably mention my kid's old box, a Celeron 2200 with 256M ram, is going to my mom, and her Celeron 900 is probably going to my domestic worker. ;P I'd also like to know if Vista, and by extension windows 7, still suffer from this, or if it's miraculously gone away?
ThePotty1 wrote:
My experience of the windows OS is that it runs pretty well for 2-3 years, and then sorta slows down for no obvious reason.
The reason is always obvious: the Internet. When stuff is blindly downloaded and installed, it stands to reason that Windows will soon start to complain.
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I't not the OS's fault, at least for the most part. Next time you get ready to reinstall because your system is slow, run msconfig and make a record of the programs in the startup tab. Do the same after a reinstall; the difference will startle you. Too many software suppliers install their own "tray notification" and/or"autoupdater" aps that run all the time, stealing a few clock cycles. After a while the sum total is a noticeable burden on the stuff you want to use. This is compounded by disk and registry fragmentation, the result of years of updates, installs and uninstalls.
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Steve Thresher wrote:
WTF! Why?
Once the Computer Gremlins/Critters have invaded the PC and deposited their eggs it takes 18 months for the young to hatch. Re-formatting gets rid of them. It's like bug spray.
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Steve Thresher wrote:
WTF! Why?
Once the Computer Gremlins/Critters have invaded the PC and deposited their eggs it takes 18 months for the young to hatch. Re-formatting gets rid of them. It's like bug spray.
Makes sense to me, I've noticed that giving my work server a fair bash on the side when it plays up seems to stun the gremlins for a bit, and also makes me feel a whole lot better. Then I go and make tea, and by the time I get back we've both got over our respective issues, and I've regained feeling in my hand :rolleyes:
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Ditto the Middle East, though I still can't get used to the idea.
Never mind Mustafa, you'll get a better job soon, I'm sure! :-D
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Yes. My hopes are high. That's one of the reasons I'm pursuing a PhD in Home Studies Computer Science!
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I watch my startup apps like a hawk. I'm probably a bit gung-ho stopping services too, but generally everything seems to cope.
It would be nice if MS offered a service setting between on startup and when needed for services that are likely to be used at some point during the session but aren't needed immediately that would have them be loaded when the system was otherwise idling.
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My experience of the windows OS is that it runs pretty well for 2-3 years, and then sorta slows down for no obvious reason. You can nurse it along by dumping temp files, defragmenting, and perhaps (god help us) running a registry cleaner, but really you're gonna have to format and re-install sooner rather than later. My laptop has reached this point. It's a 3 year old core 2 duo with 2G ram running XP, but boots slower than the 2000 box I've just set up for my kids, even though that's a 6 year old AMD 1600+ with 1G. A pre-emptive disclaimer, this isn't an attack on windows, I know windows, I develop for windows, mostly I like windows. I am about to try a linux dual-boot, but expect to still mostly use XP. So, any comments? Do you upgrade your hardware often enough never to notice this, or do you, like me, nurse what you have for a decade after it's paid for itself? I should probably mention my kid's old box, a Celeron 2200 with 256M ram, is going to my mom, and her Celeron 900 is probably going to my domestic worker. ;P I'd also like to know if Vista, and by extension windows 7, still suffer from this, or if it's miraculously gone away?
I saw this phenomenon on some machines, but not on others. My old home machine ran just fine for 5 years until the hardware died and I did not notice any slowdowns. On the other hand, my work laptop started slowing down after less than a year, so I installed Win7 and it runs fine now. At home I try to watch carefully what I install. I *never* let any program install Java runtime, and before Vista came out I had the same rule for .NET runtime (sorry... :) ). Also, I review the running processes from time to time to make sure there are not too many "parasite" ones.
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It would be nice if MS offered a service setting between on startup and when needed for services that are likely to be used at some point during the session but aren't needed immediately that would have them be loaded when the system was otherwise idling.
The latest nation. Procrastination.
Windows Vista has delayed auto-start services[^].
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