I've been censored
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I don't have to give any argument for or against anything here in America. I can speak it, write or even open my window and yell it to the world: "THIS IS RIDICULOUS!" Nobody has the right to tell me I cannot voice my opinion. It's a protected thing that sometimes people in power forget and try control to get their way.
OMG what's the BFD?
One thing is to have an opinion and voice it. You should always have this right. It is called freedom of speech. Another thing is how and when you voice your opinion. It's called manners, cerimony. This is usefull because helps us avoid becoming like hutsus & tutsis or serbians & croatians cutting their throats for nothing. Or something like Kanye West and Joe Wilson. You can voice your opinion in the university, but use civilized language and manners. The place should not be like an internet forum, you know?
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Ok, so I'm going to school for my Associate's degree online. I had a question about a subject so I zipped an email over to my instructor. In the email I stated at one point "the whole thing makes no sense to me" and then I proposed a couple of scenarios written as questions and followed it up with "how ridiculous". I was promptly informed that content was inappropriate. Never mind it was my opinion and is protected by freedom of speech or that America was founded, fought, bought and paid for with the blood of my forefathers to protect the rights of an individual to express his or her opinions without recourse. I feel like Victor Navorski(Tom Hanks) in The Terminal: "I am......unacceptable" :laugh: It's going to be a long semester.
OMG what's the BFD?
You say you're right to free speech was violated, so I'm guessing you were imprisoned after the incident, correct? Or at the very least, did the government step and threaten you?
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You say you're right to free speech was violated, so I'm guessing you were imprisoned after the incident, correct? Or at the very least, did the government step and threaten you?
His right was restricted, and he might be punished for attempting to exercise his basic god given right. How dare he use words to express his thoughts. And if the federal government or state government is contributing financially or regulating the school, then it was government sanctioned violations. Its criminal, criminals need to be prosecuted, and the institutions need to be corrected.
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I don't have to give any argument for or against anything here in America. I can speak it, write or even open my window and yell it to the world: "THIS IS RIDICULOUS!" Nobody has the right to tell me I cannot voice my opinion. It's a protected thing that sometimes people in power forget and try control to get their way.
OMG what's the BFD?
Dirk Higbee wrote:
Nobody has the right to tell me I cannot voice my opinion.
Actually, pretty much everyone has that right. It's called free speech, and it applies to other people's words just as much as it does to your own.
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His right was restricted, and he might be punished for attempting to exercise his basic god given right. How dare he use words to express his thoughts. And if the federal government or state government is contributing financially or regulating the school, then it was government sanctioned violations. Its criminal, criminals need to be prosecuted, and the institutions need to be corrected.
You're attempting to punish his instructor for exercising his basic rights. You're also receiving financial contributions from the government. Ergo, by your logic, you need to be prosecuted.
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Ok, so I'm going to school for my Associate's degree online. I had a question about a subject so I zipped an email over to my instructor. In the email I stated at one point "the whole thing makes no sense to me" and then I proposed a couple of scenarios written as questions and followed it up with "how ridiculous". I was promptly informed that content was inappropriate. Never mind it was my opinion and is protected by freedom of speech or that America was founded, fought, bought and paid for with the blood of my forefathers to protect the rights of an individual to express his or her opinions without recourse. I feel like Victor Navorski(Tom Hanks) in The Terminal: "I am......unacceptable" :laugh: It's going to be a long semester.
OMG what's the BFD?
OK, I'm a non-american, but even I know the freedom of speech thing says that the GOVERNMENT cannot restrict your speech byond certain well described limits. You sending an obnoxious email to an instructor, and him saying it was unacceptable is a liiiiittle bit short of being rounded up for acid showers, non? I *have* read about plenty of egregious problems to do with trampling of speech in US campuses, and people being all but kicked out because they did not sign up to some political agenda they didn't agree with. But on the evidence you've presented (and I understand why you may not give every detail), yours is not in that group. See here http://www.thefire.org/[^] for an organisation that fights against actual cases of speech / thought stifling. Iain. [modified to correct a couple of typos]
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modified on Monday, September 28, 2009 3:05 PM
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Distind wrote:
the reality of it is the administration setup a place for people to toss those wonderfully false rumors these people spread into so that they could be aware of them and show how exactly they're false. A government sponsored snopes of sorts.
That is spin. X|
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You're attempting to punish his instructor for exercising his basic rights. You're also receiving financial contributions from the government. Ergo, by your logic, you need to be prosecuted.
James L. Thomson wrote:
You're attempting to punish his instructor for exercising his basic rights.
What rights are you referring to? Educational institutions are a business, and he is being paid to serve Dirk, and Dirk has to pay one way or another for his instructor's services. The school should refund Dirk's money if they can't perform their duties.
James L. Thomson wrote:
You're also receiving financial contributions from the government. Ergo, by your logic, you need to be prosecuted.
Citation? I don't collect welfare, I've paid half of my income into the system. You are out of line.
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Really? So what exactly is it? The exact same thing he did during the election to deal with the "He's a Muslim anti-christ from Kenya" rumors? Or something even more diabolical?
Distind wrote:
So what exactly is it?
Its a propaganda tool to control what people think, and it is good for collecting data about political dissidents.
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Distind wrote:
deal with the consequences of it.
Yeah, you can go around breaking windows too, but you have to deal with the consequences. There is a big difference between expressing your thoughts with vocal patterns or written symbols and breaking windows.
Yes, if you prove your an idiot in a academic setting, you get failed. If you break a window you get to pay for it for face legal charges. These are quite typical, and if you didn't fail idiots for being idiots, then idiots would continue to be idiots without ever even considering they may be an idiot. I'm rather bored, so I figured I'd see how many times I could fit that into a sentence, though it seems to have become a runon much like this one.
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James L. Thomson wrote:
You're attempting to punish his instructor for exercising his basic rights.
What rights are you referring to? Educational institutions are a business, and he is being paid to serve Dirk, and Dirk has to pay one way or another for his instructor's services. The school should refund Dirk's money if they can't perform their duties.
James L. Thomson wrote:
You're also receiving financial contributions from the government. Ergo, by your logic, you need to be prosecuted.
Citation? I don't collect welfare, I've paid half of my income into the system. You are out of line.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What rights are you referring to? Educational institutions are a business, and he is being paid to serve Dirk, and Dirk has to pay one way or another for his instructor's services. The school should refund Dirk's money if they can't perform their duties.
A person's basic rights do not cease to exist merely because they are employed. This instructor had every legal right to chastise his student for sending an obnoxious e-mail. Your suggestion that he be prosecuted is far closer to violating a person's free speech rights than he ever did, although it too falls well short of anything illegal. It's funny that you say your all for "free-speech" and then propose to legally punish those whose speech you don't agree with.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Citation? I don't collect welfare, I've paid half of my income into the system. You are out of line.
I thought I remembered you going into some long speech on your use of food stamps. Or maybe that was a different troll, you all look alike to me.
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Distind wrote:
So what exactly is it?
Its a propaganda tool to control what people think, and it is good for collecting data about political dissidents.
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Yes, if you prove your an idiot in a academic setting, you get failed. If you break a window you get to pay for it for face legal charges. These are quite typical, and if you didn't fail idiots for being idiots, then idiots would continue to be idiots without ever even considering they may be an idiot. I'm rather bored, so I figured I'd see how many times I could fit that into a sentence, though it seems to have become a runon much like this one.
Distind wrote:
Yes, if you prove your an idiot in a academic setting, you get failed.
Exactly how does expressing his thoughts about the "lessons" he paid for, make him an idiot? What gives the instructor the right to take his money, and fail him because he didn't like what Dirk said about the quality of his lessons? He is paid to do the job and he is expected to do it right and craft his lessons with quality.
Distind wrote:
These are quite typical, and if you didn't fail idiots for being idiots, then idiots would continue to be idiots without ever even considering they may be an idiot.
Controlling what Dirk can say or think about the quality of his lessons or product that he paid for is way out of line. Everybody wants to be a criminal mafia boss or dictator these days.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What rights are you referring to? Educational institutions are a business, and he is being paid to serve Dirk, and Dirk has to pay one way or another for his instructor's services. The school should refund Dirk's money if they can't perform their duties.
A person's basic rights do not cease to exist merely because they are employed. This instructor had every legal right to chastise his student for sending an obnoxious e-mail. Your suggestion that he be prosecuted is far closer to violating a person's free speech rights than he ever did, although it too falls well short of anything illegal. It's funny that you say your all for "free-speech" and then propose to legally punish those whose speech you don't agree with.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Citation? I don't collect welfare, I've paid half of my income into the system. You are out of line.
I thought I remembered you going into some long speech on your use of food stamps. Or maybe that was a different troll, you all look alike to me.
James L. Thomson wrote:
This instructor had every legal right to chastise his student for sending an obnoxious e-mail.
He said he was censored. Thats the issue here. If he only said that Dirk was inappropriate, then he should be disciplined because he is being paid to craft his lessons with a certain level of quality, and Dirk is paying him for those lessons. Dirk is in the right, its no different than complaining to his phone company or something.
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So what should they do, let the Death panels roam the wild political landscape when reality is they're a load?
I went though the bill that I got directly from the .gov website. There is rationing on almost every page, you can't miss it. Medical facilities are REQUIRED to give periodic "end of life counseling" to certain patients, they will try to "sell" you the idea of committing suicide. The government lies, they spin the truth, they deceive the masses, to progress their agenda. Follow the money, big insurance companies are supporting the bill. Big corporations get too profit directly off of the tax money, and also the MANDATORY health insurance like they do with auto insurance. If you don't buy it yourself, your wages will be garnished. More power over people is seized by the government, people will no longer be able to get what they need when they need it do to heavy rationing and control. It is mind boggling how people become so mind numb and out of control that they support this crap.
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Ok, so I'm going to school for my Associate's degree online. I had a question about a subject so I zipped an email over to my instructor. In the email I stated at one point "the whole thing makes no sense to me" and then I proposed a couple of scenarios written as questions and followed it up with "how ridiculous". I was promptly informed that content was inappropriate. Never mind it was my opinion and is protected by freedom of speech or that America was founded, fought, bought and paid for with the blood of my forefathers to protect the rights of an individual to express his or her opinions without recourse. I feel like Victor Navorski(Tom Hanks) in The Terminal: "I am......unacceptable" :laugh: It's going to be a long semester.
OMG what's the BFD?
No, this is People's Unitary of Uhmerikka! You don't express your opinions in Uhmerikka, you don't even have the right to exist in this country.
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Distind wrote:
Yes, if you prove your an idiot in a academic setting, you get failed.
Exactly how does expressing his thoughts about the "lessons" he paid for, make him an idiot? What gives the instructor the right to take his money, and fail him because he didn't like what Dirk said about the quality of his lessons? He is paid to do the job and he is expected to do it right and craft his lessons with quality.
Distind wrote:
These are quite typical, and if you didn't fail idiots for being idiots, then idiots would continue to be idiots without ever even considering they may be an idiot.
Controlling what Dirk can say or think about the quality of his lessons or product that he paid for is way out of line. Everybody wants to be a criminal mafia boss or dictator these days.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Exactly how does expressing his thoughts about the "lessons" he paid for, make him an idiot?
By annoying the professor, trust me, I know that one well. I had at least one trying to fail me. Even when your right it can be a bad idea. If you think something is screwy, you express your thoughts in a manner conducive to getting a real response. Question something, don't declare it's crap. And better yet, back up your points with solid facts. If I couldn't do that I would have failed that course. Despite not liking me, despite not wanting to agree with me, he couldn't prove me wrong, so he just dinged me on every little mistake I made to see if I could really hold it together well enough to make it through. Think of it this way, if I walked into your office, and you're suddenly professor of 9/11ology and declared you're full of crap and the collapse was entirely consistent with known physics and structures. I've seen what you generally consider arguing. Are you going to just nod and go along with your day, or are you going to take a closer look at this person's answers to ensure they actually have a clue at what you're teaching them?
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I went though the bill that I got directly from the .gov website. There is rationing on almost every page, you can't miss it. Medical facilities are REQUIRED to give periodic "end of life counseling" to certain patients, they will try to "sell" you the idea of committing suicide. The government lies, they spin the truth, they deceive the masses, to progress their agenda. Follow the money, big insurance companies are supporting the bill. Big corporations get too profit directly off of the tax money, and also the MANDATORY health insurance like they do with auto insurance. If you don't buy it yourself, your wages will be garnished. More power over people is seized by the government, people will no longer be able to get what they need when they need it do to heavy rationing and control. It is mind boggling how people become so mind numb and out of control that they support this crap.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I went though the bill that I got directly from the .gov website. There is rationing on almost every page, you can't miss it. Medical facilities are REQUIRED to give periodic "end of life counseling" to certain patients, they will try to "sell" you the idea of committing suicide.
Have you ever heard what happens when you assume? I will have no part in such things.
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It was flag@whitehouse.gov. They also have databases for political descendants, its called the domestic terrorist database. There is also a no fly list, over a million Americans are on it, without there knowledge. If you get on any of these lists, you are on it for life.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It was flag@whitehouse.gov. They also have databases for political dissidents, its called the domestic terrorist database. There is also a no fly list, over a million Americans are on it, without their knowledge. If you get on any of these lists, you are on it for life.
Sorry, it just annoyed me. For a moment I thought he actually meant political decedents. Made it more interesting, then I realized where he was going with it and I was dissapointed.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Exactly how does expressing his thoughts about the "lessons" he paid for, make him an idiot?
By annoying the professor, trust me, I know that one well. I had at least one trying to fail me. Even when your right it can be a bad idea. If you think something is screwy, you express your thoughts in a manner conducive to getting a real response. Question something, don't declare it's crap. And better yet, back up your points with solid facts. If I couldn't do that I would have failed that course. Despite not liking me, despite not wanting to agree with me, he couldn't prove me wrong, so he just dinged me on every little mistake I made to see if I could really hold it together well enough to make it through. Think of it this way, if I walked into your office, and you're suddenly professor of 9/11ology and declared you're full of crap and the collapse was entirely consistent with known physics and structures. I've seen what you generally consider arguing. Are you going to just nod and go along with your day, or are you going to take a closer look at this person's answers to ensure they actually have a clue at what you're teaching them?
Distind wrote:
If you think something is screwy, you express your thoughts in a manner conducive to getting a real response. Question something, don't declare it's crap. And better yet, back up your points with solid facts.
No, it does not matter what the professor thinks, because he is being paid by Dirk. The professor does not have the right to have any authority. If he cannot serve Dirk then he must refund Dirk's payments. If he fails Dirk because he was offended by him, then he must refund Dirk. If he doesn't, that is criminal theft, and must be prosecuted.