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  • J Jim Crafton

    Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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    I am as enthusiastic about writing code as I have ever been, and I've been a professional developer for 20 years now. I've recently started getting into IP Telephony and am writing some cool applications that our customers our lapping up.

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      While I'm not a fan of Kevin Costner movies, I am a fan of Alan Rickman and Morgan Freeman who were both in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves. That movie had the following bit of dialog: Sherriff of Notthingham (Rickman): "I'm going cut his heart out with a spoon!" Guy of Gisbourne: "Why a spoon, cousin?" Sherriff: "Because it hurts more, you twit!"

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      Gary Wheeler wrote:

      cut his heart out

      Ha! Yeah but starting with the heart would be over too quick..... Cut their tongue out with a spoon first because the constant screaming would get on my nerves after a while.... :-)

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      • J Jim Crafton

        Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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        Jim Crafton wrote:

        If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

        Learning something new and simple. I like creating neat, fun stuff. I don't like battling APIs. Try working in a technology that doesn't actually allow you to do a lot and you find yourself spending more time enjoying the challenge of coding instead of the challenge of battling through 8000 classes

        cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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          peterchen wrote:

          In the Naughties, our toolchains got longer

          I'm sorry, I just can't read that with a straight face... :laugh:

          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)

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          All thanks to the little blue pill (or is it purple, I never can remember...) :)

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            Jim Crafton wrote:

            If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

            Learning something new and simple. I like creating neat, fun stuff. I don't like battling APIs. Try working in a technology that doesn't actually allow you to do a lot and you find yourself spending more time enjoying the challenge of coding instead of the challenge of battling through 8000 classes

            cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP

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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            and simple

            Yeah that's where I tend to have a wee bit of a problem :) I tend to like the really complex problems :) Writing a little notepad app has never interested me, instead I want to leap into writing a complex IDE with a syntax highlighting, multi-threaded AST code parser. Sigh. Must think smaller...

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            • C Chris Losinger

              yes. i think it's called "burnout". one way to get over the hump is to find yourself in the position of being unemployable unless you jump in and learn all these 'new' ways of doing the same old thing.

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              Have you had any luck yet? I take it you're still looking for work?

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              • J Jim Crafton

                Have you had any luck yet? I take it you're still looking for work?

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                plenty of phone interviews, a few face-to-face interviews. but no, no luck. everyone wants a C# expert, and it's all about technical interviews. i can't count how many times i've had to explain the difference between 'string' and 'StringBuilder', and inner and out joins. i think i know the stuff, and i rarely get totally beat down by technical questions in these interviews. so i don't know why i'm not getting offers, but ... i'm not.

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                  plenty of phone interviews, a few face-to-face interviews. but no, no luck. everyone wants a C# expert, and it's all about technical interviews. i can't count how many times i've had to explain the difference between 'string' and 'StringBuilder', and inner and out joins. i think i know the stuff, and i rarely get totally beat down by technical questions in these interviews. so i don't know why i'm not getting offers, but ... i'm not.

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                  At the risk of sounding cynical (shocking, I know) I'd guess they are wanting to hire cheap, and your experience is indicating a higher salary than they want to pay. Which sucks. Well I hope your luck changes soon, I'm sure something will turn up. Also, have you considered becoming a male escort? I hear that pays well. There's a bunch of wealthy ladies here in NYC who'd pay top dollar for that kind of thing... :)

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                    Jim Crafton wrote:

                    Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

                    That's definitely where I'm at. I am though challenging myself to learn F# by programming a Texas Hold'em game, with some good algorithms for the 'bot players. Other than that, what interests me is the problems that need solving, not the technologies that solve them. In fact, a lot of the time, I seem to be fighting the technology to solve the problem, such as my recent run-in with getting some C++/STL code to work with multiple processors and dealing with the fact that Microsoft's core memory management stuff is NOT thread friendly. That pisses me off, when some tool that a professional company (supposedly) has written fails to do its job, and I end up having to work around the crap, distracting me from what I really want to get done. One other thing--to this day, I have never seen a technology actually improve the software development process, with the exception of my Interacx suite. Call me biased. ;) Marc

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                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    One other thing--to this day, I have never seen a technology actually improve the software development process, with the exception of my Interacx suite. Call me biased. Wink

                    That's just cause you've never used the VCF :) You're still stuck with the whole pansy C# stuff.

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                    • J Jim Crafton

                      At the risk of sounding cynical (shocking, I know) I'd guess they are wanting to hire cheap, and your experience is indicating a higher salary than they want to pay. Which sucks. Well I hope your luck changes soon, I'm sure something will turn up. Also, have you considered becoming a male escort? I hear that pays well. There's a bunch of wealthy ladies here in NYC who'd pay top dollar for that kind of thing... :)

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                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                      I'd guess they are wanting to hire cheap, and your experience is indicating a higher salary than they want to pay. Which sucks.

                      i have no doubt that's a factor. but i don't know how to convince them that i'm willing to work for much less than my years would dictate, as long as it's a decent job.

                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                      Also, have you considered becoming a male escort? I hear that pays well.

                      i'll look into it. but i'm not willing to relocate.

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                        I got bored with it years ago, but it's the only thing I know how to do well that pays decently and consistently, so I keep doing it. Only 13 more years till retirement. Or 15. Or 18. Or 20. Depends on all those investments, er, gambles turn out.

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                          I enjoy programming. Not learning a new API that does slightly more than something i wrote in C 16 years ago while imposing 10x the memory and CPU load. And definitely not business of software, which is what seems to pass for at least half of the tech reporting out there. I enjoy writing code to solve problems. What gets me out of a slump is going back to what got me interested in this in the first place: small languages or APIs, small solutions that can then be re-used in larger ones. Putting myself in a position where I can write without constantly referring to MSDN. It's amazing how good it feels to write a bit of code to do something, and then find an example solution online that's fragile, longer, and depends on some external library for most of what's not boilerplate... It's the sort of thing that makes me want to keep going. :)

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                          • J Jim Crafton

                            Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

                            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                            Vikram A Punathambekar
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                            Jim Crafton wrote:

                            Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently?

                            Yes. I only started in 2004, and got bored around 2007.

                            Jim Crafton wrote:

                            what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

                            I'm moving into a BA role.

                            Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)

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                            • J Jim Crafton

                              Joe Simes wrote:

                              "Follow your bliss." – Joseph Campbell

                              That would lead me to Salma Hayak, and I don't think the restraining order has been removed! Oh help me Obi Wan! You're my only hope!

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                              I've forwarded this to your wife. Just helping whatever little I can. ;) Btw, it's Hayek (yeah, ask me) and not Hayak. :)

                              “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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                              • J Joe Simes

                                Seems like when a new platform comes out all of the "apps" or development takes a step back 3 years. Back in the early 90's I was a cd rom developer. Mostly CBT (Authorware) and educational software for kids/schools (Director). Lots of animation and problems solving. Low level crap like print drivers and text to speech stuff. It was fun. Then there was the internet, cd rom dev dried up and everyone wanted a web page. So now I am a glorified text formatter a pasteup artist. :doh: Then Shockwave emerged and the Director stuff came back but with limitations due to the browser sandbox. So now I am redoing all of the crap I did for all of the school software as mini Schlockwave modules. Learning Perl so I can save data to a database on the web server. :omg: Then I get tasked to learn ColdFusion and I am now a text formatter again storing crap in databases (MS Access, SQL Server, Oracle). Then Flash came out and I am redoing the Schlockwave games but using CF to jam the data (high scores) into an Oracle database instead of using Perl to write it to a flat file. :wtf: I hate Flash so now I am a ColdFusion/Oracle developer writing document tracking software in an industrial facility (the Navy :^) ) and I have just been tasked to "learn" Sharepoint so it can track the damn spreadsheets instead of my CF app. X| I want to open a BBQ restaurant with a nice little stage for live hillbilly music! :suss:

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                                Open the BBQ restaurant. It will be fun and give you a break from programming.

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                                • T Todd Smith

                                  Programming is just the tool. Find a field of interest where the majority of your learning is related to the field and not the programming tech. Games, medical imaging, movie animation, robotics, astronomy, physics, etc. Jumping in to the latest Microsoft fad is a sure way to get frustrated and burned out.

                                  Todd Smith

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                                  Todd Smith wrote:

                                  Programming is just the tool.

                                  Amen. You just got my 5. <nitpickBecauseThisIsAnImportantSubject> I'd replace "Find a field of interest where the majority of your learning is related to the field and not the programming tech." by "Be an expert user of the tools, but apply them to a field in which you have both passion and expertees." That means 1) becoming an empassioned expert in the problem domain before learning the tools, and 2) not changing tools unless there's a really good reason to do so. </nitpickBecauseThisIsAnImportantSubject> My passion has always been written music. Best, James

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                                  • J Jim Crafton

                                    Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

                                    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow

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                                    Jim Crafton wrote:

                                    Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

                                    Buy yourself and old Land Rover and rather than spending your free time programming or on the computer rebuild it. The worse condition it is the better, bought my base vehicle for £80 and taken a few years but it's on the road now (although still not quite finished). Might be more difficult to rebuild in the states but here in Britain the parts are dirt cheap. Just had to put a new alternator in (well was easier than repairing the old one) and was £30 and an hours work. BTW, I had no mechanical knowledge before I started this project so doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. Will post some piccys if I can find them.


                                    I doubt it. If it isn't intuitive then we need to fix it. - Chris Maunder

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                                      I enjoy programming. Not learning a new API that does slightly more than something i wrote in C 16 years ago while imposing 10x the memory and CPU load. And definitely not business of software, which is what seems to pass for at least half of the tech reporting out there. I enjoy writing code to solve problems. What gets me out of a slump is going back to what got me interested in this in the first place: small languages or APIs, small solutions that can then be re-used in larger ones. Putting myself in a position where I can write without constantly referring to MSDN. It's amazing how good it feels to write a bit of code to do something, and then find an example solution online that's fragile, longer, and depends on some external library for most of what's not boilerplate... It's the sort of thing that makes me want to keep going. :)

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                                      His Shog Agree 100% - Write code to solve problems. That is the fun part. Things in software go round in a loop and I think things have not been essentially new since the arrival of OO idea in the 80's. Most supposedly big proprietary things are actually just small things that are fun to write better versions of. All the recent change seems hugely inconvenient because it distracts me from problem solving, but the change is needed to feed the big companies their £ and $. Hence they need to pretend the change is necessary. It has not been for some years. Our very small development company has taken things in a more bussiness centered direction to yourself but it is the same idea. It realy is the problems that are fun. I also love writing and applying better replacements for hyped commerical software. Well said Shog - pass me that socket :)

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                                      • J Jim Crafton

                                        Has anyone else gotten really disillusioned with programming recently? In the last year or so I've gotten really bored with it, it seems that much of what's considered "new" in the last 5-8 years is just rehashed stuff, and it's become really hard to work up much enthusiasm to spend extra time on it. When I started back in 1995, the industry, or at least the little that I was aware of, seemed much more dynamic. Now it just feels stagnant, and most of the things that I do find myself interested in seem like dead end technology. Many of the things that have become popular, like web "programming", just make me cringe. Part of this, I think, is that having gone through the process of learning multiple frameworks, multiple languages on multiple operating systems, using a variety of different toolchains, it all starts to become just "more of the same". So there's not that much "new" to learn in something like WPF, for example. It's just more of the same thing, with a few twists here and there, but it's not that much of a stretch anymore. Another issue is the way it's reported on in both the general media (say a magazine like Time) or even in tech specialist sites (excluding CP of course!). The willingness of any of these places to ask even the simplest of questions regarding "new" or "innovative" technology is nothing short of astonishing. Stuff I've seen reporting on is done in such an incredibly shallow, and frequently incorrect, manner that it's just depressing in the extreme. Has anyone else run into this? If so, what got you over the "hump", so to speak?

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                                        Hmm, as an official "Grumpy Old Man" I have to agree. I've been developing software in one form or another now for over 30 years (FFS!), in environments ranging from Elliott 903 Assembler, BASIC, TECO, KDF9, ICL Fortran IV, Algol 68R, Z80 assembler, Algol 60 through C/C++ (Borland, GNU &co) via the Inmos Transputer (Occam and parallel C++) to Windows WPF/CLR, Visual Basic, Java/JSP/AJAX web dev, and I've come to believe (watch out for the flame wars!) that programming is programming, regardless of language or development environment. Languages and tools - and especially 'methodologies' and 'paradigms' come and go like ladies fashions - the only technique that has really stuck with me and changed the way I work is object orientation (regardless of language) which made me think about things in a much more productive way when trying to solve real-world problems (rather than the contrived ones usually dreamed up to teach OO - NIH taxonomy anyone?) A good editor or IDE can make life much easier, providing what you want to do fits well (Netbeans + Java and AJAX are good fits, Visual Studio and C++ are not IMHO). I keep looking at design methodologies like UML modelling etc, but in the end they seem to me (as a lone or 2-person developer) to effectively involve writing the app in a pseudo-language which you then have to translate into the destination environment, so I stick to my old fashioned ways of notes discussing things with myself and flow charts or pseudo-code as required! ISTR that the latest 'trend' amongst some lead dev houses now is to revert to procedural programming, something that reached its peak with Algol 60 and then C, back in the early 80s, and then got dropped like a hot potato when OO first appeared - itself becoming 'old hat' in the face of Agile programming (prototyping anyone?) and Extreme Programming. My current task is to develop a viewer and data extraction tool to retrieve data for a financial market maker from the raw data file supplied by their bank, which shows their activity in a particular market. It is obvious from looking at the data description document provided that the data originates from a much modified COBOL program, where updates over the years have been applied inconsistently and where the documentation has struggled to keep pace. I asked for a copy of the CopyBook but that wasn't available, so I've built an Access database that describes the 25 or so complex data records held in the file, so that I can generate an XML data schema for the COBOL data, to be fed to

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                                          1. I am considering implementing a Javscript super computer (very interesting and scalable) 2) Lot's of AI research focusing on building a machine to solve the problem, try building one to ask the question. 3) Real-time data acquisition and reporting with data mining 4) * (ok this one is hush hush cause it would make me millions if I wasn't too lazy to implement: keywords HIPAA and low cost) I could go on but the interesting stuff you have to create ... not read about. My article on unsafe gray scale conversion was written primarily to support a motion recognition application I wrote which was kind of cool.

                                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                                          I agree that the interesting stuff you usually have to create...

                                          Know way too many languages... master of none!

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