Stupid problem of the week
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Technically, it is not stealing. It is more like borrowing. Considering how much money my wife spends at wal-mart I don't feel guilty about it at all.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
Now you've done it. You're pure evil now that you've swung one back in the direction of evil "Corporate America". I don't do that either, but I'm not gonna give you a hard time for doing it yourself...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Your intent was not to purchase the item but to borrow the item and then return it which is a violation of the purchase contract according to common-law. Unless you went to the Store Manager (or otherwise authorized agent) and asked if you could purchase the item, with no intent of keeping it, and then return it then you made a fraudulent purchase. Because every one does it, or because you spend a lot of money at Walmart, or because you have some how justified it to yourself does not change the reality of your action. There is no rule or law that says if you spend, "x" amount or if you "feel" a certain way then you can perform a certain action that is otherwise illegal.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
But he followed the rules of the retail outlet. Wal-mart has a money-back-no-questions-asked return policy as long as you have the receipt. All's fair, and all that.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
WTF are you talking about? What Fraud. You are allowed to return a product the same day. I didn't commit any fraud. I just decided I didn't want to keep it.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
Except that you didn't return the product, but only the physical medium on which it was carried.. which is why all these "old rules" make no sense anymore. IMO, if they didn't want you to do this, they should put some effort into preventing you from doing it. Otherwise it's too much like putting your computer outside and then reporting theft when it's stolen. Now I don't know what the police is going to do about that (actually I do know: nothing. they never do anything.) but I know for a fact that my insurance does not cover this. So I'm pretty much siding with you here, I think. Anyway why didn't you just pirate it? Same end-result, but faster..
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
I was going to install XP on this netbook but decided against it after enjoying 7.
Yeah I've pretty much made my mind up to ditch xp finally for w7. I run w7 as my host and xp as my virtual machines and it's jarring going back to xp and not in a good way.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better. - Poul Anderson
Amen. I've been Weven at home since the RC, coming to work sucks and not just because of the hardware on my laptop vs my desktop of doom (50% fewer physical cores, 75% fewer logical cores, 48% lower clock rate, 20(???)% lower IPC, pathetically slower and smaller mechanical HD vs SSD). Fortunately the W7 rollout is beginning and I volunteered to be part of the first wave. :jig: Unsurprisingly the irRational bloatware I have to use is unsupported and mostly incomparable and will have to be virtualized. I :laugh: to avoid the :(( 's.
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I was going to suggest daemon tools.. but I guess that didn't work then But, this just makes me think "how hard would it really have been to abstract the storage medium for the backup away?", and I'm thinking, not that hard. But maybe there's a very good reason for it all..
harold aptroot wrote:
But, this just makes me think "how hard would it really have been to abstract the storage medium for the backup away?", and I'm thinking, not that hard. But maybe there's a very good reason for it all..
Is upselling people to higher priced windows SKU's a valid version. AFAIK pro and above support windows backup to the network. :rolleyes:
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It is not a dress. I was going to purchase an external DVD drive but the cheapest one at the store was like $60. You can get one online for about 1/3 the price. I didn't want to wait a week, so I borrowed it. If I never shopped at the store I would feel guilty about it, but considering all the money my wife spends there and the fact that wal-mart makes like a bazillion dollars in profits, I don't feel bad about it at all.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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harold aptroot wrote:
But, this just makes me think "how hard would it really have been to abstract the storage medium for the backup away?", and I'm thinking, not that hard. But maybe there's a very good reason for it all..
Is upselling people to higher priced windows SKU's a valid version. AFAIK pro and above support windows backup to the network. :rolleyes:
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Except that you didn't return the product, but only the physical medium on which it was carried.. which is why all these "old rules" make no sense anymore. IMO, if they didn't want you to do this, they should put some effort into preventing you from doing it. Otherwise it's too much like putting your computer outside and then reporting theft when it's stolen. Now I don't know what the police is going to do about that (actually I do know: nothing. they never do anything.) but I know for a fact that my insurance does not cover this. So I'm pretty much siding with you here, I think. Anyway why didn't you just pirate it? Same end-result, but faster..
You misunderstood. I didn't pirate anything. I get paid to code software, I never steal software. I returned an external DVD drive.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Your intent was not to purchase the item but to borrow the item and then return it which is a violation of the purchase contract according to common-law. Unless you went to the Store Manager (or otherwise authorized agent) and asked if you could purchase the item, with no intent of keeping it, and then return it then you made a fraudulent purchase. Because every one does it, or because you spend a lot of money at Walmart, or because you have some how justified it to yourself does not change the reality of your action. There is no rule or law that says if you spend, "x" amount or if you "feel" a certain way then you can perform a certain action that is otherwise illegal.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
Actually, when purchasing the products, I said to the cashier at the electronics department, "Can I return this later today if I don't want it?" They said, "Yes you have up to 30 days. You need your receipt and all the original packaging." I did not break any laws.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Newegg doesn't list any below $40. I've got a USB to Sata/Pata adapter with a power brick big enough to run a desktop optical drive if needed; but for $20 an external DVD drive would be a useful buy.
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No they don't. It was on ebay.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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You misunderstood. I didn't pirate anything. I get paid to code software, I never steal software. I returned an external DVD drive.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I didn't want to wait a week, so I borrowed it.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
considering all the money my wife spends there and the fact that wal-mart makes like a bazillion dollars in profits
In my opinion, that's tacky. Sorry, but I was raised differently than that.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
In my opinion, that's tacky.
Agreed. Here (in the UK) you can't usually do that anyway. Once goods are sold, you can't return them unless they are faulty. If you buy something, and then decide you don't like it, tough. Sometimes shops offer to take things back, but that's a commercial decision they take, rather than one enforced by legislation. Is it different in the US?
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I may have contemplated buying that netbook. Thanks for making me feel better. Weven locks down your app folder more than Vista, my app did not work on Weven when I first tested. But overall, I agree, Weven doesn't seem too bad.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Weven locks down your app folder more than Vista,
What's the physical path of the folder you are having problems with? One of our apps stores data in the "official" application data folder, and we haven't had any problems.
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You misunderstood as well! You returned the dvd, but the dvd (and even its contents) is meaningless, what you pay for when you buy windows (or other things that work similarly) is the product key, and you still have it
Are you trolling? I returned a an EXTERNAL DVD DRIVE. I paid for Windows 7.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Are you trolling? I returned a an EXTERNAL DVD DRIVE. I paid for Windows 7.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
YES I R TROLL no I just misread, but that's less exiting. So then, all these complaining people have no point at all. You didn't keep any part of what you used. There is no fraud in sight. Btw, getting paid to write software and pirating are not mutually exclusive. Do you think none of the people who build cars ever steal any cars? I rather suspect that they are more likely to do it than random other people
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
In my opinion, that's tacky.
Agreed. Here (in the UK) you can't usually do that anyway. Once goods are sold, you can't return them unless they are faulty. If you buy something, and then decide you don't like it, tough. Sometimes shops offer to take things back, but that's a commercial decision they take, rather than one enforced by legislation. Is it different in the US?
Electron Shepherd wrote:
Is it different in the US?
Most of the major retail stores in the US offer fairly lenient return policies. However, "buying" something with no intent of keeping it, using it to perform a specific task then returning it - is not in the spirit of the policy. The trailer trash people that do it don't seem to understand that the retailer incurs costs in the transaction and passes those costs to everyone. We all end up paying for their poor ethics.
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Are you trolling? I returned a an EXTERNAL DVD DRIVE. I paid for Windows 7.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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No problem. I could come up with a few you could do other than post in the lounge.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Bought an Acer netbook. No optical drive, no big deal, right? Well the netbook doesn't come with a restore CD (why would it there is no optical drive?) Windows 7 backup won't write an ISO or to a network only to writeable optical drive, the Acer software only writes to writable optical drives. You can't easily share an optical drive, daemon tools claims to offer writeable drive emulation but I couldn't find a single tool that I could download that actually would do as advertised. So off to PING. Man oh man turning that sucker into a bootable USB was hard ... the instructions were all wrong. Finally get it running and lo and behold I only have an 8 GB flash drive. Windows 7 takes 9GB then some other files. Getting creative, I disable hibernation saving 2 Gigs (allegedly) and set Windows to delete the page file on shutdown so of course my partitions still take 12GB and won't compress to my drive. This post, of course is a rant (don't try to solve my problem) Computing should be simple, it seems as if every person at every step of the way has conspired to make this process hard! Sure I can buy a USB Dvd writer or a 16GB USB drive (they are about the same price) but WTF. If I would have known ahead of time the true cost of a netbook I would have never bought it and just bought a laptop instead. 50 bucks for the backup, 50 bucks for the 2gig memory stick, sheesh. BTW, Windows 7 is a lot less annoying than Vista. I was going to install XP on this netbook but decided against it after enjoying 7.
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane
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Actually, when purchasing the products, I said to the cashier at the electronics department, "Can I return this later today if I don't want it?" They said, "Yes you have up to 30 days. You need your receipt and all the original packaging." I did not break any laws.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
"Can I return this later today if I don't want it?" was a lie though, wasn't it? You had no intention of keeping the drive if it met your expectations? I imagine that you had the expectation that the drive would by able to burn DVD's and your returned it for performing admirably. We don't have to go back and forth on the matter as I realize what you have done is defined as O.K. and acceptable by the vast majority of people. I suppose, me pointing it out to you was my way of calling you average :p (O.k. so that was mean but I meant it humourously)
Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane