50 Best Sci-Fi TV shows of all time
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Does that include Simon Cowell?
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Actually I'm pretty sure Simon Cowell falls under a completely different defintion on evil... Dante would have undoubtedly worked out a 10th level of Hell just for him :)
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Dr Who (soon be 50 years old!) Blakes 7 Hitch-Hiker Guide to the Galaxy (in all it's forms) X-Files STTNG STV SG-SG1 SG-A BSG $VI000000MAN
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Dr Who
I could never get into this. Every time I saw an episode when I was a kid it looked so awful I just cringed and could never finish it up.
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MUTANTS! duh!
Ya know, after this discussion, I'm starting to think I should take Heroes off my list... Not because it isn't a great show, but because it's more fantasy than sci-fi... I mean sure, genetic mutations could explain SOME of the powers... Like... uh... wait, no, I don't think it could explain any of them.
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Frankenstein figures out electricity can be used to reanimate dead tissue. Does it on grand scale. Creation gets up and Frankenstein books it in a fit of remorse, terror, and suddenly realizing he played god. Creation is effectively a small child in mentality and has abandonment issues. These get resolved by way of killing a child and framing Frankenstein, there is a big showdown where they explore their feelings, and then death. This was written just as people started playing with electricity. People could stimulate muscles in dead people, so it wasn't that far fetched at the time.
Ok, so that's definitely in the realm of sci-fi. It's an extrapolation of current technology, kind of like the Jetsons.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Hitch-Hiker Guide to the Galaxy (in all it's forms)
Not the TV mini-series... The books and radio shows, yeah, but I could never put the TV series on any top-10 list, and this is a list of TV shows :)
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Yep, mentioned that in an above post... Good example of monsters with a scientific basis.
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kinar wrote:
or anything dealin with vamps, warewolves, etc
Unless the source of said vampires/werewolves is described as failed genetics or bio-warfare experiment, and their "special traits" are explained in scientific terms. Certain zombie movies have achieved this... I think it's been done to some degree with vampires, but no examples come to mind.
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
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I think lists like these always way over value the original Star Trek. The show wasn't bad, and it did help kick off many others. But that being said it just wasn't that good. About 80-90% of the time they went out into space they wound up on Earth, or a mirror Image of Earth, or went back in time to 1960's Earth, or occasionally to the alien planet that just happened to look a whole lot like southern California. Unbridled imagination, meet budget constraints.
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I think lists like these always way over value the original Star Trek. The show wasn't bad, and it did help kick off many others. But that being said it just wasn't that good. About 80-90% of the time they went out into space they wound up on Earth, or a mirror Image of Earth, or went back in time to 1960's Earth, or occasionally to the alien planet that just happened to look a whole lot like southern California. Unbridled imagination, meet budget constraints.
Not to mention, it was really campy with wooden characters... I never liked TOS at all. Especially when they... had William... Shatner try to... say something... The only good character on that show was Scotty. Don't get me wrong... The actors weren't bad (Ok, a few were). The CHARACTERS were just empty.
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digital man wrote:
kinar wrote: Just because someone perpetrates evil acts doesn't mean that those people are necesarily evil. That makes no sense.
Since we're on a WWII kick... In 1945, the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, basically obliterating two cities. Why? To end the war and prevent the greater loss of life that would have resulted from a full invasion. Does that make the US an "Evil Empire," like some radicals call us? We did a horrible thing, causing a large amount of pain and suffering for a lot of people, but we did it for what we thought was a good reason. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but the act itself was still "evil." History still considers us to be the good guys.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Forgive this cheesy quote but "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few". What the USA did in 1945 prevented millions of more deaths. What they did was merciful and the right thing to do to get Japan to surrender. The USA ddn't start the war, they were pulled into it and did what they had to do to end it. The act was not in any way evil: that is a naive position to take. It would have been inherently more evil not to have used the bombs and to have allowed far more suffereing and a much longer war when knowing that using them could prevent it. Whilst I agree that evil is very hard to quantify I think anyone knows it when they see it. If I do soemthing evil you think I am merely misguided? That is why evil people get away with evil deeds because good people fail to believe that evil really exists.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Evil is a matter of perspective.
Sorry to call bullshit on this! There are *some* cases where "evil" might be a POV. But the ones Dave listed definitely don't fall under that. Under no circumstance does killing millions of innocents fall under anything but evil. It's wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it. Hitler was nuts, possibly a sociopath, but in the end he was just plain wrong. Ditto for Pol Pot, Stalin, and friends. I understand that there's a whole lot of gray area in life, and certainly POV needs to be taken into account, but there's also a point where things are just plain wrong.
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Just to bring in one of Ian's arguments to your claim... Would you consider Harry S Truman, the 33th President of the USA, evil? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki[^] Of course your post mentioned millions and Mr Truman only killed 150,000-250,000 (mostly innocents) in a matter of days so maybe he doesn't qualify as evil? If not, at what point does killing innocents become evil?
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Just to bring in one of Ian's arguments to your claim... Would you consider Harry S Truman, the 33th President of the USA, evil? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki[^] Of course your post mentioned millions and Mr Truman only killed 150,000-250,000 (mostly innocents) in a matter of days so maybe he doesn't qualify as evil? If not, at what point does killing innocents become evil?
No, not in the same sense as someone like a Hitler or Stalin. Was it wrong? Maybe, probably, depends on your POV. Was it a bad thing, sure. Was it evil? I don't think so. Truman's motivations and rationale for the bombing were completely different from Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, or any other nut job dictator. For example, AFAIK, there's no evidence that the bombs would have been dropped if the Japanese had surrendered when asked to. Anyway, my general point is that you're comparing apples to oranges.
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
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I enjoyed Farscape
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Forgive this cheesy quote but "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few". What the USA did in 1945 prevented millions of more deaths. What they did was merciful and the right thing to do to get Japan to surrender. The USA ddn't start the war, they were pulled into it and did what they had to do to end it. The act was not in any way evil: that is a naive position to take. It would have been inherently more evil not to have used the bombs and to have allowed far more suffereing and a much longer war when knowing that using them could prevent it. Whilst I agree that evil is very hard to quantify I think anyone knows it when they see it. If I do soemthing evil you think I am merely misguided? That is why evil people get away with evil deeds because good people fail to believe that evil really exists.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
You're looking at the motivation, not the act itself. If you ignore the context, dropping nuclear bombs on cities is an "evil" act. If you want to go the cliche route, it was the "Lesser of two evils", in that letting the war continue would have been worse. Being the lesser "evil" isn't the same as not being "evil." But again, "evil" is just a matter of perspective. We slaughter countless animals to feed ourselves. From the animal's perspective, that's pretty clearly "evil." From our perspective, they're just food animals and we're hungry (Ok, except the vegetarians/vegans).
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I enjoyed Farscape
It was on one of the lists. I'm watching season 1 again on Netflix streaming now.
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
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Logan's Run rated higher than Firefly. Blasphemy written by the clueless.
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Fireball XL5? Supercar? The Survivors? (okay, that was crap) Sadly there are so many and it is so subjective that it's unlikely that any 2 people would agree what should and should not be on the list.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
digital man wrote: Sadly there are so many and it is so subjective that it's unlikely that any 2 people would agree what should and should not be on the list --- Easy, insert Firefly. Anyone who disagrees doesn't get an opinion afterwards. Then Dr Who, again, any disagreements and we've narrowed it down some more. Although the new series is meh, haven't seen much of the older ones but they look much better. No slo-mo of Kylie Minogue. :P Then a Star Trek/Star Gate series of some sort, Stargate would be my choice, and Atlantis out of them all. I prefer the Star Trek universe, but Stargate did it better. Then BSG (remake). That pretty much covers it all.. Leaving fantasy shows out isn't too much to ask since the poll leaves out the best sci-fi universes anyway. Warhammer40K, Hitchhiker's Guide and Dune would cover some of the best sci-fi there is. Then almost any Assimov book. Some movies have been excellent and they won't be included. This is more a poll of, what is the best out of all the junk on T.V.. :P On a side note, why does Firefly keep getting rated so low? Yes, it ended much too soon and the movie was pathetic, but the show was still pretty decent. Surprisingly so even.
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Its different depending on where you go. http://www.justnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/13277110/detail.html[^] Xena was Sci-Fi? Buffy? The original Start Trek #1? http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows/[^] Tales from the Crypt and Wonder Woman? The Greatest American Hero? So what is the CP top 50? Or maybe just the top 10?
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My Top 5 would be 1) Heroes 2) ST: TNG 3) Babylon 5 4) Firefly 5) Battlestar Gallactica (new one) Also Caprica is working for me at the moment. Plus given some of the tech they sometimes show and their poor understanding of it I would be tempted to say CSI: NY as well :)
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Forgive this cheesy quote but "the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few". What the USA did in 1945 prevented millions of more deaths. What they did was merciful and the right thing to do to get Japan to surrender. The USA ddn't start the war, they were pulled into it and did what they had to do to end it. The act was not in any way evil: that is a naive position to take. It would have been inherently more evil not to have used the bombs and to have allowed far more suffereing and a much longer war when knowing that using them could prevent it. Whilst I agree that evil is very hard to quantify I think anyone knows it when they see it. If I do soemthing evil you think I am merely misguided? That is why evil people get away with evil deeds because good people fail to believe that evil really exists.
me, me, me "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program. And if we become extinct because we don't have a space program, it'll serve us right!" Larry Niven
are you saying US is being the good guy by killing thousands of innocent people in those cities and destroyed the life of thousands more with the radioactive side effects? well dats surely evil to me... pure evil... you dont go killing innocent people and call yourself a good guy... are you sure the USA didnt start the war? in face USA and Europe started the war long before dat when they invade Asia countries and made it their own... this is the same as what Japan did... they invade the Asia countries to put them all under one flag... so US and others are as evil as Japan itself if u look at it... u are saying USA bomb the two cities to stop the war... why dont they just bomb the army camp only and leave the innocent people alone... army are meant to go to war and civilians are just civilians... i think they have evil deep down in their heart...
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Well, I can give you my top 5... 1) Babylon 5 2) Firefly 3) ST: DS9 4) Heroes 5) ST: TNG Would probably have Dr. Who on that list, but I haven't seen much of it.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Same here Babylon 5 #1 and then ST: TNG, Stargate