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Are recruitment agencies to full of them selves?

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  • R ragnaroknrol

    My wife got a recruiter telling her of a "great opportunity." She's got experience with some equipment that is pretty specialized and so the going rate for her is pretty high. She's currently making 65K in Iowa (Equal job in Chicago is in 6 figures and cost of living makes them comparable) The company offered her 40K. She says she actually did the double blink thing and laughed before she caught herself. "No really, what are you guys offering?" They were serious. This was IBM. She thanked them for their time and left. The recruiter has tried to get her to take the same job once and a different job from them that would be working FOR the person that would be in the job she turned down and would be less pay. I keep telling her to tell the recruiter that if the company lists "competitive salary" they can ignore it for her or find out if they mean "so cheap we are ashamed to list it."

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    Ian Shlasko
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    Ha... I usually don't even ask the salary... I take one look at the job description and say "You're kidding, right?"

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    • M Manique

      Maybe, but my loyality is to my family, and if have have a better quality of life by taking the counter offer than so be it. Any way, the way a lot of the lay-offs in the recession can hardly be said to have been done in a profesional manner - most where knee-jerk reactions.

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      Manique wrote:

      most where knee-jerk reactions

      I would disagree. Most companies, especially large ones don't take it lightly, there is a lot of paperwork and planning that goes into layoffs and terminations. Especially in a litigious society where they could be sued for the slightest hint of discrimination.


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      • D Dr Walt Fair PE

        I think the professional thing to do would have been to talk to your management before looking for a job! If you couldn't do that, then what would the point of staying be? Look at it from the corporate point of view: 1) Your company now knows you can be bought easily. 2) The agency did spend time on you, whether you appreciate that or not. 3) If the company you were going to work with now knows you'll go back on your word and can't be trusted. Sounds like everyone loses to me. But hopefully the corporate memories will be short enough not to hurt you in the long run. Me? I have this game I play to see how many head hunters I can get to take me to lunch before I tell them I'm not interested in finding a job. I never do it under false pretenses, but so far I've had a couple dozen lunches over the years.

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        Media2r
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        Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:

        1. The agency did spend time on you, whether you appreciate that or not.

        For the premium they charge me when I do accept a job, I could not possibly care less. //L

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          Manique wrote:

          my current employer gave me an offer I could not afford to refuse.

          You should have refused. Studies have shown that people who accept counter offers from their employers are gone within six months anyway. You have already shown you have no loyalty to the company and will jump for more money, benefits, etc., it won't be forgotten. There was a reason you started looking and accepted the offer. What has changed? Will it be permanent? Also, if you were worth it (not saying you aren't) they would have paid without the threat of going elsewhere.


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          Manique
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          I am in a very different situation to most. It is a small company and as part of the deal, I get a sizable stake in the company I work for. You do not get that in most places.

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            ragnaroknrol wrote:

            She's currently making 65K in Iowa

            Where abouts? 65K isn't much in the big city of Des Moines. :-D

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            ragnaroknrol
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            Ames. And believe it or not, the cost of living in Chicago is roughly twice that of DesMoines. Combine it with my former (and hopefully soon higher) income and we were doing okay.

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            • M Manique

              Maybe, but my loyality is to my family, and if have have a better quality of life by taking the counter offer than so be it. Any way, the way a lot of the lay-offs in the recession can hardly be said to have been done in a profesional manner - most where knee-jerk reactions.

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              hammerstein05
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              When I didn't have a wife, child and mortgage, my opinion would have been that if I accepted an offer then there was nothing stopping me from going. Now I do have WCM, well, I could be tempted by more money. More money pays things off sooner after all.

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              • M Media2r

                Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:

                1. The agency did spend time on you, whether you appreciate that or not.

                For the premium they charge me when I do accept a job, I could not possibly care less. //L

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                Dr Walt Fair PE
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                If you think their premium is too high, then why do you deal with them at all? Doesn't sound very smart to me ... I only deal with agencies where the employer pays the fees.

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                • M Manique

                  I just had to turn down a software developer job offer with a large American Company (but based in the uk), I won't say who they are but they make normally printers. I originally said yes, but my current employer gave me an offer I could not afford to refuse. The reply from the agency tried to pour on the guilt, "they are very disapointed" and "they had been very patient waiting for my paper work" were some of the things said. What tripe. They made we wait months after the interview and they have made masses of people redundant in the past. I just think the agency miss the commision. And how can the whole of a large corp be disappointed? - are they the Borg? A flexible work force has to work both ways, not just in favour of employers. Anyway I going to watch Pompey Vs. Tottenham on Sunday (FA Cup Semi Final), so that will take my mind of it.

                  Manique

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                  Jim Crafton
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                  Well they're certainly full of something...

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                  • M Manique

                    Maybe, but my loyality is to my family, and if have have a better quality of life by taking the counter offer than so be it. Any way, the way a lot of the lay-offs in the recession can hardly be said to have been done in a profesional manner - most where knee-jerk reactions.

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                    Bassam Saoud
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                    Manique wrote:

                    Maybe, but my loyality is to my family

                    Your current employer gave you a raise under pressure. You told them you are leaving, they wanted you to stay so they toped the offer. Depending on the quaility of your employer, that may back fire at you when the pressure is gone. They may ask you train an associate or hire a new developer and when the pressure is gone, give you the pink slip. It is for your interst to never ever accept an exit offer.

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                      Manique wrote:

                      Maybe, but my loyality is to my family

                      Your current employer gave you a raise under pressure. You told them you are leaving, they wanted you to stay so they toped the offer. Depending on the quaility of your employer, that may back fire at you when the pressure is gone. They may ask you train an associate or hire a new developer and when the pressure is gone, give you the pink slip. It is for your interst to never ever accept an exit offer.

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                      Spot on in my opinion.

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                      • R ragnaroknrol

                        Ames. And believe it or not, the cost of living in Chicago is roughly twice that of DesMoines. Combine it with my former (and hopefully soon higher) income and we were doing okay.

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                        Having gone on weekend trips to Chicago I'm fully aware of the cost to live there. I have friends who live there and when their one bedroom condo costs twice what I paid for my three bedroom house I laugh at them. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the schools were a touch better here but then again I'm biased :-D Unlike some I feel there's plenty to do in the Des Moines area if you know where to look and if there isn't we can always go up to Ames.

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                        • M Manique

                          I just had to turn down a software developer job offer with a large American Company (but based in the uk), I won't say who they are but they make normally printers. I originally said yes, but my current employer gave me an offer I could not afford to refuse. The reply from the agency tried to pour on the guilt, "they are very disapointed" and "they had been very patient waiting for my paper work" were some of the things said. What tripe. They made we wait months after the interview and they have made masses of people redundant in the past. I just think the agency miss the commision. And how can the whole of a large corp be disappointed? - are they the Borg? A flexible work force has to work both ways, not just in favour of employers. Anyway I going to watch Pompey Vs. Tottenham on Sunday (FA Cup Semi Final), so that will take my mind of it.

                          Manique

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                          Nemanja Trifunovic
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                          Manique wrote:

                          I originally said yes, but my current employer gave me an offer I could not afford to refuse.

                          Don't know about your particular case, but I consider that a bad idea in general. If you are leaving, leave and don't look back.

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                          • D Doctor Nick

                            Having gone on weekend trips to Chicago I'm fully aware of the cost to live there. I have friends who live there and when their one bedroom condo costs twice what I paid for my three bedroom house I laugh at them. Plus I wouldn't be surprised if the schools were a touch better here but then again I'm biased :-D Unlike some I feel there's plenty to do in the Des Moines area if you know where to look and if there isn't we can always go up to Ames.

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                            ragnaroknrol
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                            There is nothing in Ames. It's a black hole. :P

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                            • M Manique

                              I just had to turn down a software developer job offer with a large American Company (but based in the uk), I won't say who they are but they make normally printers. I originally said yes, but my current employer gave me an offer I could not afford to refuse. The reply from the agency tried to pour on the guilt, "they are very disapointed" and "they had been very patient waiting for my paper work" were some of the things said. What tripe. They made we wait months after the interview and they have made masses of people redundant in the past. I just think the agency miss the commision. And how can the whole of a large corp be disappointed? - are they the Borg? A flexible work force has to work both ways, not just in favour of employers. Anyway I going to watch Pompey Vs. Tottenham on Sunday (FA Cup Semi Final), so that will take my mind of it.

                              Manique

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                              Manique wrote:

                              Anyway I going to watch Pompey Vs. Tottenham on Sunday (FA Cup Semi Final), so that will take my mind of it.

                              As an arsenal fan with family in Southampton this is one of those games where you wish that both sides could somehow lose

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                              • M Manique

                                I am in a very different situation to most. It is a small company and as part of the deal, I get a sizable stake in the company I work for. You do not get that in most places.

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                                Again, if you are that valuable to them why did it take a threat to leave to get such a deal?


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                                • R ragnaroknrol

                                  There is nothing in Ames. It's a black hole. :P

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                                  Doctor Nick
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                                  Oh come now you have ISU women's basketball and pretty soon you'll have football. It's a college town, parties everywhere! (If I were a younger unattached man anyhow) :-D

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                                  • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                                    I think the professional thing to do would have been to talk to your management before looking for a job! If you couldn't do that, then what would the point of staying be? Look at it from the corporate point of view: 1) Your company now knows you can be bought easily. 2) The agency did spend time on you, whether you appreciate that or not. 3) If the company you were going to work with now knows you'll go back on your word and can't be trusted. Sounds like everyone loses to me. But hopefully the corporate memories will be short enough not to hurt you in the long run. Me? I have this game I play to see how many head hunters I can get to take me to lunch before I tell them I'm not interested in finding a job. I never do it under false pretenses, but so far I've had a couple dozen lunches over the years.

                                    CQ de W5ALT

                                    Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                    Bassam Saoud
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                                    Great points

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