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[Member 96]

I wasn't the one vote and I apologize I read that as windows 7, not windows phone 7. Is it a technical issue or a legal restriction like Apple is enforcing?

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[Lost User]

I think they just want complete control over the app's interaction with the OS, similar to the Apple restriction on using only public API's.

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[Dan Neely]

There's a huge difference between "we only support one language" and "all other languages are banned". It's the difference between "4.0" and the previous version. :laugh:

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[Lost User]

It must be tough when they're too stupid to debate an issue that really bothers them, and they're reduced to prowling the lounge looking for revenge on irrelevant threads.

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[RichardM1]

You don't see a difference between MS only supporting C# and Apple saying you are in breach of your Terms of service agreement if you write an app in assembly?:confused: You aren't a mac fanboy, are you?

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[Lost User]

No, I'm not a mcfan boy. ;) And no, I don't see any significant differece in these policies. The end result is the same - they're restricting the language and API that can be used, beyond restrictions that existed in earlier versions.

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[Lost User]

Dan Neely wrote:

There's a huge difference between "we only support one language" and "all other languages are banned".

Oh, really? :laugh: The end result is the same in both cases. The semantics of their statements may differ, but that's about all.

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[Single Step Debugger]

Probably they don’t want to support an SDK for C\C++. Wonder when this going to happen with the Desktop OS. X|

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[Dan Neely]

No it's not. Under the prior version of the iPhone SDK licence you were allowed to use MonoTouch, etc, etc, etc to create iPhone apps; now you're not. It's like how MS only supports C#, VB, F#, C++ (debatably), any any other languages in visual studio for writing windows apps, but you can write an app in Python, Lua, Perl, etc as long as it can call the needed APIs.

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[Joe Woodbury]

First reports are that Windows Phone 7 is extremely unstable so it doesn't really matter what language you use. :) (BTW, to my horror, I tend to agree with Jobs, and Microsoft, on this up to a point. I see no problem with using third party libraries if they were certified and ultimately used only the required languages/system calls. As way of explanation: when an application breaks on the iPhone, the user doesn't blame the app writer, they blame Apple and they call Apple and all that costs reputation and money . While this won't stop applications from breaking, it will mitigate it somewhat and create an overall more stable platform.)

[Lost User]

And under the previous versions of WinMo, you could write native C++ apps, and now you can't. From my perspective, there's not much difference in end result. BTW, I liked you're little 'debatably' dig. :-D

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[Nemanja Trifunovic]

Only because of this part:

LunaticFringe wrote:

So will the dumbass with the 1 vote provide evidence to the contrary? Admittedly, that would require a bit of intelligence, something you're probably seriously short of.

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[Lost User]

Joe Woodbury wrote:

First reports are that Windows Phone 7 is extremely unstable so it doesn't really matter what language you use.

Gee, what a surprise. Any word on when Phone7 SP1 will be released? :laugh:

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[RichardM1]

MS is not restricting anything, they just aren't supporting. They could care less if you use an Objective-c, or even Prolog, compiler. You can do what ever you want with whatever tools you want. You want a third party library? Wear yourself out, it's your phone! Apple says you use an app written in the wrong language, they can brick you. Still see no difference?

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[RichardM1]

You can still write them, MS just says they don't support the compiler. Did you have an compiler that used to work, but now bricks your phone?

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[Jim Crafton]

No time soon. There's a lot of popular software packages that simply aren't possible to write in a managed runtime (at least as they are currently implemented), i.e. Office, Photoshop, just about any high end 3D application, just about any kind of Video authoring tools, etc. Major parts of those apps need to written in C/C++, or some other language that isn't constrained like C#/VB/Java et al.

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[Lost User]

All programs for the phone are written in managed code. OK, explain to me how this statement implies that native C++ apps will be allowed, as they were in previous versions. And I don't mean managed C++ or some parallel that allows the use native C++ syntax but produces .NetCF apps.

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[Lost User]

RichardM1 wrote:

MS just says they don't support the compiler.

All programs for the phone are written in managed code. So where does this sentence say that you can use native C++? It sounds to me as if the OS will not run native C++ apps, regardless of the compiler used.

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[RichardM1]

Maybe they thought you were stupid for not seeing the difference. :-D

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[Lost User]

Back to the upper part of the thread, you. :laugh:

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