Intolerance - Epic fail.
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Hey, I'm not an artist,just an engineer trying to define the envelope of tolerance. :-\
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Let us tear open the envelope of tolerance and cast our eyes to the horizon of mutual respect!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Let us tear open the envelope of tolerance and cast our eyes to the horizon of mutual respect!
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
Let us tear open the envelope of tolerance and cast our eyes to the horizon of mutual respect!
No No No, that is far too rational. it'll never work!!!
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The REALLY funny thing is that the whole point of it was to poke fun at extremists who complain about things like that....irony doesn't translate into Arabic I guess....
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
RichardGrimmer wrote:
irony doesn't translate into Arabic I guess
I have to take issue with this. Arabic != Muslim and, equally Muslim != Arabic. I know many Muslim Arabs, and in general they are much more liberal than the common perception of people in the West. Most could easily be compared to the Muslim equivalent of Italian or Greek Chritians, so religious but not "jihadist-nutters" by any stretch of the imagination. The problems arise because the nutters are more vocal, visible and the media loves to show them. the one-eyed-hook guy must have been a boon for Sky News. For the most part the people I know won't be happy about the cartoon, but they are more disgusted by the behaviour of the extremists.
Dalek Dave: There are many words that some find offensive, Homosexuality, Alcoholism, Religion, Visual Basic, Manchester United, Butter. Pete o'Hanlon: If it wasn't insulting tools, I'd say you were dumber than a bag of spanners.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
irony doesn't translate into Arabic I guess
I have to take issue with this. Arabic != Muslim and, equally Muslim != Arabic. I know many Muslim Arabs, and in general they are much more liberal than the common perception of people in the West. Most could easily be compared to the Muslim equivalent of Italian or Greek Chritians, so religious but not "jihadist-nutters" by any stretch of the imagination. The problems arise because the nutters are more vocal, visible and the media loves to show them. the one-eyed-hook guy must have been a boon for Sky News. For the most part the people I know won't be happy about the cartoon, but they are more disgusted by the behaviour of the extremists.
Dalek Dave: There are many words that some find offensive, Homosexuality, Alcoholism, Religion, Visual Basic, Manchester United, Butter. Pete o'Hanlon: If it wasn't insulting tools, I'd say you were dumber than a bag of spanners.
Whilst I completely understand your point, I think you may be reading a little too much into an off the cuff remark...of course not all muslims speak arabic and of course not all arabic speakers are muslim... Totally agree however with the point of most muslims being less up tight about these things and the extremists having the louder voices...
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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Whilst I completely understand your point, I think you may be reading a little too much into an off the cuff remark...of course not all muslims speak arabic and of course not all arabic speakers are muslim... Totally agree however with the point of most muslims being less up tight about these things and the extremists having the louder voices...
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
The problem is that the extremists have effectively taken over the religion. Not just Islam, but Christianity too. Look at current events and how things are going. Nutjobs kill a bunch of innocent people with planes. Islam says "We are not like that. Those guys were nuts." Christian right says "Those muslims are nuts and should all be killed. Bomb them to the stone age!" And the rest of the christians just sit there and watch shaking their heads. Both groups stay quiet as the extremists do things that degrade people, devalue them and continue to propagate a view that allows these things. So instead of having religions of peace and love, we have groups of jackasses doing horrible things and the silent majority allowing it. At no point in time have we heard a loud, vocal, overwhelming condemnation of the actions of the right by the center in these religions. No large group standing up and saying "WTF MATE?! SHUT UP AND QUIT DOING EVIL IN THE NAME OF OUR RELIGION!" Instead they sya "those are extremists, we aren't like that." Well, if they allow them to continue, don't stand up to them and stop them, THEY ARE LIKE THAT. They have effectively given the extremists tacit approval and are just to cowardly to be forthright about it. They are just as much a part of the problem as the nutjobs because they don't have the backbone to try and stop them.
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The problem is that the extremists have effectively taken over the religion. Not just Islam, but Christianity too. Look at current events and how things are going. Nutjobs kill a bunch of innocent people with planes. Islam says "We are not like that. Those guys were nuts." Christian right says "Those muslims are nuts and should all be killed. Bomb them to the stone age!" And the rest of the christians just sit there and watch shaking their heads. Both groups stay quiet as the extremists do things that degrade people, devalue them and continue to propagate a view that allows these things. So instead of having religions of peace and love, we have groups of jackasses doing horrible things and the silent majority allowing it. At no point in time have we heard a loud, vocal, overwhelming condemnation of the actions of the right by the center in these religions. No large group standing up and saying "WTF MATE?! SHUT UP AND QUIT DOING EVIL IN THE NAME OF OUR RELIGION!" Instead they sya "those are extremists, we aren't like that." Well, if they allow them to continue, don't stand up to them and stop them, THEY ARE LIKE THAT. They have effectively given the extremists tacit approval and are just to cowardly to be forthright about it. They are just as much a part of the problem as the nutjobs because they don't have the backbone to try and stop them.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
Well, if they allow them to continue, don't stand up to them and stop them, THEY ARE LIKE THAT. They have effectively given the extremists tacit approval and are just to cowardly to be forthright about it. They are just as much a part of the problem as the nutjobs because they don't have the backbone to try and stop them.
The problem with the situation is we'd be looking at somehow forming a group of militant moderates to combat these people. While it's something of a goal to get labeled a moderate extremist(or somehow cause that label to appear on Fox News), I haven't figured out how to manage it. These idiots aren't going to just sit down and shut up because their own tell them to, they're just going to consider them fair targets as well, and most people are far from willing to paint a target on their back intentionally. And I have to note, some people have spoken out quite loudly against both groups, from both groups, but no one seems to give a shit when people attempt to handle things responsibly.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Well, if they allow them to continue, don't stand up to them and stop them, THEY ARE LIKE THAT. They have effectively given the extremists tacit approval and are just to cowardly to be forthright about it. They are just as much a part of the problem as the nutjobs because they don't have the backbone to try and stop them.
The problem with the situation is we'd be looking at somehow forming a group of militant moderates to combat these people. While it's something of a goal to get labeled a moderate extremist(or somehow cause that label to appear on Fox News), I haven't figured out how to manage it. These idiots aren't going to just sit down and shut up because their own tell them to, they're just going to consider them fair targets as well, and most people are far from willing to paint a target on their back intentionally. And I have to note, some people have spoken out quite loudly against both groups, from both groups, but no one seems to give a shit when people attempt to handle things responsibly.
The establishments haven't been doing it. People will speak out, but the groups don't. "God hates Fags." "Hi, we are the (insert denomination here)church hierarchy and we believe these people to be wrong, extremists, misguided, and generally stupid people that need to read the new testament, and have a heaping glass of stfu" Doesn't happen. "Hi, I am a high ranking cleric in charge of a large group within Islam and we believe the prophet's words have been twisted by these guys. He never said attack people sitting around doing nothing more than their jobs and kill them. They need to listen to the words of the prophet." Maybe if something like that happened we might see some change. If the groups attack them, these groups get shown for what they are and people will stop joining them or at least doubt their motives. I wish more people would try and handle these extremists in a responsible manner.
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So, the extremists are up in arms because South Park has depicted a certain religious figure in a bear suit. Apparently it's all right to have a go at Jesus, Scientology and the likes, but you can't say anything negative about Islam. Clickety.[^] Let the univotes commence.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Maybe we should form our own religion (the First Church of Bob). Our one tenet will be that we hate everyone who doesn't belong. We could bill it as the first honest religion. ;)
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Cut off the infidels internet access.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Cut off the infidels internet access.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Hey, if L. Ron Hubbard can pull this off, a bunch of clever computer geeks shouldn't have any trouble, right? We can start by lobbying politicians for equal time; any religious displays on public property should henceforth include a small statue of Bob. Huh? Huh? :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Hey, if L. Ron Hubbard can pull this off, a bunch of clever computer geeks shouldn't have any trouble, right? We can start by lobbying politicians for equal time; any religious displays on public property should henceforth include a small statue of Bob. Huh? Huh? :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
ALL HAIL BOB!!! Though I am amused at images of the FSM being put in some places by devoted pastafarians and might try to join them instead.
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ALL HAIL BOB!!! Though I am amused at images of the FSM being put in some places by devoted pastafarians and might try to join them instead.
Is there a tax benefit?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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ALL HAIL BOB!!! Though I am amused at images of the FSM being put in some places by devoted pastafarians and might try to join them instead.
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The following dot is a picture of the Prophet on Earth: . I'm in deep doo-doo now! :rolleyes:
Opacity, the new Transparency.
how bout this? Should i hide now?
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------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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how bout this? Should i hide now?
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So, the extremists are up in arms because South Park has depicted a certain religious figure in a bear suit. Apparently it's all right to have a go at Jesus, Scientology and the likes, but you can't say anything negative about Islam. Clickety.[^] Let the univotes commence.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
The bottom line, whether you are Muslim, Christian or Jew, one of the laws/commandments from God (and lets face it, the fore-mentioned religions have the same god), is You shall not murder period!. No cavets that I am aware of.
Steve Jowett ------------------------- Real programmers don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard to read.
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Hey, if L. Ron Hubbard can pull this off, a bunch of clever computer geeks shouldn't have any trouble, right? We can start by lobbying politicians for equal time; any religious displays on public property should henceforth include a small statue of Bob. Huh? Huh? :-D
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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I love the way these adanced aliens came to earth but only had mid 20th century technology to use.
Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]
That's only what they let people see. They kept the good stuff like mind control beams, stealth explosives, death rays, ergonomic back scratchers, and cloning technology in secret hideouts.
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So, the extremists are up in arms because South Park has depicted a certain religious figure in a bear suit. Apparently it's all right to have a go at Jesus, Scientology and the likes, but you can't say anything negative about Islam. Clickety.[^] Let the univotes commence.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.