State of Web Development 2010
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
No, rather it is a joke that you consider it a joke
Yep, for all I know PHP is really big for development of "external" web sites. Less so for enterprise web software such as intranets.
modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 10:58 AM
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Why I agree with Rama today
:laugh: :laugh: You do agree with me on Vim, C++, gdb, and windbg.
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Are you shitting me?! What a joke of a survey. :laugh: OS of choice: Mac OS X - 51% Windows (all versions) - 41 %
You've not tried Coda[^] have you? You'll see why the overwhelming majority of web developers prefer Mac. I'd pay for it if it were available on Linux or Windows.
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The result says OS of choice, Mac OS 51% vs Windows 41%... Looks like 'web designers' survey instead of 'web developers' :)
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
1. jQuery is the king of JavaScript libraries.
For me AJAX Control tool kit is enough until I learn JQuery...
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
2. FireFox is preferred browser for development. I think it is mainly due to FireBug.
We have IE as supported browser for all the products, so F12 in IE replaces Firebug...
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
4. PHP still rules
Is this a joke ? :-D
Rutvik Dave wrote:
For me AJAX Control tool kit is enough until I learn JQuery...
Not gonna happen by osmosis, you have to start using it. :)
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The result says OS of choice, Mac OS 51% vs Windows 41%... Looks like 'web designers' survey instead of 'web developers' :)
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
1. jQuery is the king of JavaScript libraries.
For me AJAX Control tool kit is enough until I learn JQuery...
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
2. FireFox is preferred browser for development. I think it is mainly due to FireBug.
We have IE as supported browser for all the products, so F12 in IE replaces Firebug...
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
4. PHP still rules
Is this a joke ? :-D
Rutvik Dave wrote:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote: 4. PHP still rules Is this a joke ?
Yep! They are only counting the volume of sites. Since Microsoft was slow to market with decent web technologies, PHP got a lead because it ran on a free OS and was itself, free. Back in the day, Linux hosts were cheap and of course, they pumped out PHP (which was a step up from CGI-BIN and Pearl). There are a LOT of sites that still use it, but hey, everyone to their own. I used it in the past and have no plans to ever use it again, but that is everyone's choice. The survey is a joke though, it is clearly focused on a specific group and does not represent the real world.
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote: 4. PHP still rules Is this a joke ?
Yep! They are only counting the volume of sites. Since Microsoft was slow to market with decent web technologies, PHP got a lead because it ran on a free OS and was itself, free. Back in the day, Linux hosts were cheap and of course, they pumped out PHP (which was a step up from CGI-BIN and Pearl). There are a LOT of sites that still use it, but hey, everyone to their own. I used it in the past and have no plans to ever use it again, but that is everyone's choice. The survey is a joke though, it is clearly focused on a specific group and does not represent the real world.
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: The Arrogant Apple!
Rocky Moore wrote:
it is clearly focused on a specific group
That's what it says. It is focused on web developers.
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blackjack2150 wrote:
What a joke of a survey.
Hmm... Have you ever been to a primarily web design/development company? Most of them use Mac over a PC. So I am not surprised at all.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
primarily web design/development
lol. yeah, and how many of those are there?? give me a break.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
primarily web design/development
lol. yeah, and how many of those are there?? give me a break.
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http://obamacaretruth.org/Surprisingly, a lot. I could not believe it myself till we were looking for help to redesign our website.
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Surprisingly, a lot. I could not believe it myself till we were looking for help to redesign our website.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Surprisingly, a lot
that still doesn't prove anything. nor does it prove your statement that they're all using MACs.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Surprisingly, a lot
that still doesn't prove anything. nor does it prove your statement that they're all using MACs.
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http://obamacaretruth.org/ahmed zahmed wrote:
it prove your statement that they're all using MACs.
I never said that they are all using MACs. Nor there is a way to know they are all using MACs. But whoever I have came in contact with were all using MACs. That's why I am not surprised with the survey results.
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You've not tried Coda[^] have you? You'll see why the overwhelming majority of web developers prefer Mac. I'd pay for it if it were available on Linux or Windows.
If the post was helpful, please vote, eh! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
+1 for Coda. It is really cool.
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ahmed zahmed wrote:
it prove your statement that they're all using MACs.
I never said that they are all using MACs. Nor there is a way to know they are all using MACs. But whoever I have came in contact with were all using MACs. That's why I am not surprised with the survey results.
ok, no, you didn't say ALL, but you did say "Most of them use Mac over a PC." there's no way you could know that.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
But whoever I have came in contact with were all using MACs
lol. I can believe that, but are you saying you've come in contact with "Most of them?"
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The result says OS of choice, Mac OS 51% vs Windows 41%... Looks like 'web designers' survey instead of 'web developers' :)
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
1. jQuery is the king of JavaScript libraries.
For me AJAX Control tool kit is enough until I learn JQuery...
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
2. FireFox is preferred browser for development. I think it is mainly due to FireBug.
We have IE as supported browser for all the products, so F12 in IE replaces Firebug...
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
4. PHP still rules
Is this a joke ? :-D
Rutvik Dave wrote:
We have IE as supported browser for all the products, so F12 in IE replaces Firebug...
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.
Jeremy Falcon
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I came across this survey: http://www.webdirections.org/sotw10/[^] It is pretty interesting and it seems lot of hard work went into presenting the details. The results I am not surprised about: 1. jQuery is the king of JavaScript libraries. 2. FireFox is preferred browser for development. I think it is mainly due to FireBug. 3. Webkit is gaining grounds. 4. PHP still rules Other than that, it is anybody's guess on how seriously this survey should be taken. I wonder if Kent has not posted this in Insider. Unfortunately, I am not getting Insider emails even though I am subscribed to it.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
1. jQuery is the king of JavaScript libraries.
No surprise there.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
2. FireFox is preferred browser for development. I think it is mainly due to FireBug.
That's the main reason I even use FireFox. FireBug has me way too spoiled to dev in anything else. IE's dev tools suck in comparison.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
3. Webkit is gaining grounds.
I'm actually glad to see that. As much as I like Mozilla, I think having the competition back is good for innovation.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
4. PHP still rules
And it will for a long time out too. I just hope the PHP guys will be able to keep up with MS now since they've taken a real interest in web languages.
Jeremy Falcon
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ok, no, you didn't say ALL, but you did say "Most of them use Mac over a PC." there's no way you could know that.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
But whoever I have came in contact with were all using MACs
lol. I can believe that, but are you saying you've come in contact with "Most of them?"
Fight Big Government:
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http://obamacaretruth.org/Well at some time you have to extrapolate based on your experience. It may or may not true. But at least this survey and experience of some other people validates what I extrapolated.
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
For me AJAX Control tool kit is enough until I learn JQuery...
Not gonna happen by osmosis, you have to start using it. :)
Yes, you are right.
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Well at some time you have to extrapolate based on your experience. It may or may not true. But at least this survey and experience of some other people validates what I extrapolated.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
extrapolate based on your experience
You have no accurate basis for extrapolation. Or you can word things more accurately. If you had said, "All of the ones I came in contact with" or "Most of the ones I came in contact with" blah blah blah. Then I would have had no argument.
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Yes, you are right.
I spent one Saturday writing jQuery code to manage an order item table 100% clientside. I pretty much learnt enough jQuery to accomplish most common tasks that day.
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Well at some time you have to extrapolate based on your experience. It may or may not true. But at least this survey and experience of some other people validates what I extrapolated.
It's trolling. Don't feed it. :suss:
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Are you shitting me?! What a joke of a survey. :laugh: OS of choice: Mac OS X - 51% Windows (all versions) - 41 %
I agree. I've only worked at one company that even had Macs. Then again, it said they asked designers and developers, but didn't say how many of each...many designers do use Macs. But, programmers? No way! Mac has <10% of the market, there is NO WAY that >50% of web developers use them! They must have been very biased in who they asked. X|
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
For me AJAX Control tool kit is enough until I learn JQuery...
Not gonna happen by osmosis, you have to start using it. :)