VS2008 is it safe to let it go now?
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Performance? 2010 is supposed to be slower and more bloated....
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Dan Neely wrote:
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???? it IS slower and bloated. We would need to replaced all of our computers if we decide to switch to VS2010.
Watched code never compiles.
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I should have been more clear with my answer. Basically, if you have VS2010 you can still develop .NET 2.0/3.5/4.0 applications. But you cannot continue to develop applications which target VC Runtime 8.0/9/0/10.0. If you have existing applications which work with VC 9.0 runtime then you have to upgrade them to use VC 10.0.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
But you cannot continue to develop applications which target VC Runtime 8.0/9/0/10.0. If you have existing applications which work with VC 9.0 runtime then you have to upgrade them to use VC 10.0.
CRT is not .NET framework. I've never heard of anybody "targeting" any VC runtime. You simpply build what you need and then either link the CRT statically or distribute it as a DLL along with other executables.
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Performance? 2010 is supposed to be slower and more bloated....
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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I started using it yesterday. It's quite a bit quicker on my machine. My fairly large C++ solution compiled in less than half the time as it did in VS2008. I keep hearing people say it's slower but I'm not seeing it. Cheers, Drew.
Multicore machine perhaps? I've been figuring they're trying to take advantage of the kind of machine one would expect of an early adopter, or the kind of machine someone who chronically claims they'll only touch it after service pack 2 will have after they release service pack 2.
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Multicore machine perhaps? I've been figuring they're trying to take advantage of the kind of machine one would expect of an early adopter, or the kind of machine someone who chronically claims they'll only touch it after service pack 2 will have after they release service pack 2.
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
But you cannot continue to develop applications which target VC Runtime 8.0/9/0/10.0. If you have existing applications which work with VC 9.0 runtime then you have to upgrade them to use VC 10.0.
CRT is not .NET framework. I've never heard of anybody "targeting" any VC runtime. You simpply build what you need and then either link the CRT statically or distribute it as a DLL along with other executables.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
distribute it as a DLL along with other executables.
True and that is where you will need 2 versions of VS. Let's say you have an unmanaged application developed using VS 2008 in production. You will still need VS2008 to maintain that application. If you upgrade to VS2010 you have to re-build the application, re-build the setups and more testing. usually that means a new version of your application. But if it was purely .NET application targeting .NEt 3.5, you can afford to uninstall VS2008 and use VS2010.
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Yup, it's a quad core. I'm wondering if the WPF parts it supposedly has benefit from the NVidia 8800GTX I have. The UI seemed really snappy to me. Cheers, Drew.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
distribute it as a DLL along with other executables.
True and that is where you will need 2 versions of VS. Let's say you have an unmanaged application developed using VS 2008 in production. You will still need VS2008 to maintain that application. If you upgrade to VS2010 you have to re-build the application, re-build the setups and more testing. usually that means a new version of your application. But if it was purely .NET application targeting .NEt 3.5, you can afford to uninstall VS2008 and use VS2010.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Let's say you have an unmanaged application developed using VS 2008 in production. You will still need VS2008 to maintain that application.
That's true if your dev machine is also a build/release machine, which is in general not a good idea. Otherwise, you just make a fix on VS2010, check the change in, build with the appropriate compiler/CRT version, test and deploy.
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Dan Neely wrote:
supposed
???? it IS slower and bloated. We would need to replaced all of our computers if we decide to switch to VS2010.
Watched code never compiles.
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On my laptop and my main PC i have both VS2008 and VS2010 today i took a VS2008 project folder and copied to VS2010 project folder and it did an inplace conversion without any issues. As both these IDE's are multi-targetting, is there any justification or benefit for keeping VS2008?
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Let's say you have an unmanaged application developed using VS 2008 in production. You will still need VS2008 to maintain that application.
That's true if your dev machine is also a build/release machine, which is in general not a good idea. Otherwise, you just make a fix on VS2010, check the change in, build with the appropriate compiler/CRT version, test and deploy.
As long as the proj files are same format, I guess that will work. But I prefer to keep both versions of vs.
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Other than VS2010 wasn't much of an improvement? If you're interested in XNA Game Studio then you wont be able to develop for anything other than Windows 7 Mobile as the 4.0 CTP will integrate into VS2010 but only allows building for mobile platforms (3.1 is the one to use an only integrates into 2005 and 2008).
that is not true. One can still use XNA to develop for XBox and PC. It's true for the Visual Studio 2010 Express for Win Phone and for the CTP, but this is one thing. "XNA Game Studio and the XNA Framework are designed for cross-platform gaming scenarios with support for Windows Phone 7 Series, Xbox 360, and Windows-based PCs. This allows you to target more platforms from the same code base. Also, it allows developers to focus game design for each platform on real device differences, such as the device capabilities and experience, as opposed to writing with different frameworks for every device that is targeted"
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As long as the proj files are same format, I guess that will work. But I prefer to keep both versions of vs.
and then there was SolutionConverter[^] which looks interesting; I haven't tried it though. :)
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and then there was SolutionConverter[^] which looks interesting; I haven't tried it though. :)
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Somehow i missed that article - thanks for linking! :thumbsup:
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and then there was SolutionConverter[^] which looks interesting; I haven't tried it though. :)
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or you can use [^](http://code.google.com/p/gyp/wiki/GypUserDocumentation”>GYP</a>[<a href= "New Window")] :) Solution converter is interesting.
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or you can use [^](http://code.google.com/p/gyp/wiki/GypUserDocumentation”>GYP</a>[<a href= "New Window")] :) Solution converter is interesting.
are you referring to gStudio? :laugh: the link seems slightly dammaged, a bad omen. :)
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modified on Friday, May 14, 2010 6:34 PM
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As long as the proj files are same format, I guess that will work. But I prefer to keep both versions of vs.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
As long as the proj files are same format
Which they wouldn't be because they contain version info, so it would break it. I mean if you really, really wanted to you can use nmake to get around it - and sometimes automated builds do - but that's just being weird. :)
Jeremy Falcon
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are you referring to gStudio? :laugh: the link seems slightly dammaged, a bad omen. :)
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modified on Friday, May 14, 2010 6:34 PM
I was referring to gyp. http://code.google.com/p/gyp/[^]
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On my laptop and my main PC i have both VS2008 and VS2010 today i took a VS2008 project folder and copied to VS2010 project folder and it did an inplace conversion without any issues. As both these IDE's are multi-targetting, is there any justification or benefit for keeping VS2008?
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modified on Friday, May 14, 2010 11:21 PM
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On my laptop and my main PC i have both VS2008 and VS2010 today i took a VS2008 project folder and copied to VS2010 project folder and it did an inplace conversion without any issues. As both these IDE's are multi-targetting, is there any justification or benefit for keeping VS2008?
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