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  • P Pete OHanlon

    Just because most people know it incorrectly doesn't make it right.

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    Nagy Vilmos
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    Come thee Brother to the 'International League of Pedants', your teachings will be welcomed there.


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    • R realJSOP

      Word up.

      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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      Nagy Vilmos
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      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

      Word up.

      For that you get: Dah pretty ladies around the world Got a weird thing to show you, So tell all the boys and girls. Tell your brother, your sister And mama too, cause they're About to go down And you'll know just what to do...


      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H

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        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

        Word up.

        For that you get: Dah pretty ladies around the world Got a weird thing to show you, So tell all the boys and girls. Tell your brother, your sister And mama too, cause they're About to go down And you'll know just what to do...


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H

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        Dalek Dave
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        Geordi La Forge was in that video.

        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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        • D Dalek Dave

          Closer than 20 feet, man beat gun!

          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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          PaulowniaK
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          Dalek Dave wrote:

          Closer than 20 feet, man beat gun!

          Not really... since there is a person holding the gun too... that'll be "Closer than 20 feet, man beat slower man with gun!"

          Almost, but not quite, entirely unlike... me...

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          • D devvvy

            just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?

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            Roger Wright
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            You are seriously mistaken, if you extend that to martial arts in general. I don't practice kung fu, but I'm sure it's nearly as effective in its way as the taekwondo and hapkido I do practice. I can assure you that the 120 lb practitoner of TKD at my level will have little trouble taking down an untrained 180 lb body builder. The reason you don't see that happening often is that we are trained not to fight, except as a last resort, and then to fight without mercy to utterly destroy the problem child. Few of us look forward to prison, so it rarely happens. ;P

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            • D Dalek Dave

              Geordi La Forge was in that video.

              ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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              Nagy Vilmos
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              It's close to midnight, Something evils lurking... Are you sober David?


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              • P Pete OHanlon

                Unlike Americans, here in the UK, we don't measure the size of our penis by the size of our guns. We're secure enough in our manhood not to need to use firearms. Firearms don't make you more virile; it's a Phallusy.

                "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

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                bryce
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                You chaps banned guns left right and centre after Dunblaine ina typical knee jerk reaciton. point of interest - hows that gun crime ticking along now? Bryce

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                  You are seriously mistaken, if you extend that to martial arts in general. I don't practice kung fu, but I'm sure it's nearly as effective in its way as the taekwondo and hapkido I do practice. I can assure you that the 120 lb practitoner of TKD at my level will have little trouble taking down an untrained 180 lb body builder. The reason you don't see that happening often is that we are trained not to fight, except as a last resort, and then to fight without mercy to utterly destroy the problem child. Few of us look forward to prison, so it rarely happens. ;P

                  "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                  Roger Wright wrote:

                  . I can assure you that the 120 lb practitoner of TKD at my level will have little trouble taking down an untrained 180 lb body builder.

                  In the dojang maybe Mr Wogger. Bryce

                  MCAD --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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                  • D devvvy

                    just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?

                    dev

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                    bryce
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                    It depends It depends on whether the 80 kg (we work in SI units) is a wimp - has any internal fortitude , has any balls. If hes a sook then hes toast regardless. If he knows how to throw and take a punch and has been in a few real world scraps then hes got a size advantage and experience and then the old adage applies - a good big-un' will usually beat a good little-un'. Occams Razor applies. Bryce

                    MCAD --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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                    • B bryce

                      Roger Wright wrote:

                      . I can assure you that the 120 lb practitoner of TKD at my level will have little trouble taking down an untrained 180 lb body builder.

                      In the dojang maybe Mr Wogger. Bryce

                      MCAD --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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                      Roger Wright
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                      And anywhere else... we didn't play nice at my school. :-D Padding was required for children, of course, and we didn't teach the nastier bits until they were adults. Can't have school kids maiming and killing each other, now can we? :rolleyes:

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                      • R realJSOP

                        Any physical activity that exceeds the effort to aim a pistol and squeeze a trigger is overrated. I'll give you 5 seconds to run 50 yards to kick my ass, but I'm sure my pistol will still kill you before you can touch me, and I won't even have to drop my beer to do it. (And if you're only 120 pounds - or even a body builder - you'll probably be completely winded before you've managed to run 20 of those yards.) FWIW, if it looks like you might get to me before the end of the five seconds, I'll just cheat and shoot you anyway. It's not that I want to win at all costs - I just don't want to take a chance on dropping my beer.

                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                        Nish Nishant
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                        For some reason I assumed you didn't drink. Maybe it's that you drink beer but not hard alcohol?

                        Regards, Nish


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                        • R ricmil42

                          The size of your penis has nothing to do with it. If I could kill someone at 100 yards with my penis, I wouldn't need a gun. :)

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                          RichardM1
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                          You might not need a gun, but you'd probably need some shots.

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                          • P Pete OHanlon

                            When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.

                            "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                            As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                            Rajesh R Subramanian
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                            Bodybuilder does not necessarily mean less flexibility. If properly trained, these men can be more dangerous than the normal looking ones because of the added power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar[^] If you've seen that man fighting, you'll agree that the agility is kinda unbelievable for a man *that* muscular.

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                            • R realJSOP

                              Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                              when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.

                              No. If someone is swinging a stick at your head, you learn to become a better shot for the next time...

                              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                              Chris C B
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                              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                              No. If someone is swinging a stick at your head, you learn to become a better shot for the next time...

                              Absolutely. It reminds me of when, back in the day, the unarmed combat instructor couldn't take the class for some reason, so the Sar'n't Major that normally took weapons training took the session instead. His opening remark was: "Gen'l'men - why the fu*k are you unarmed?" Footnote for JSOP:

                              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly

                              This is the same guy that taught me to double-tap. ;P

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                Unlike Americans, here in the UK, we don't measure the size of our penis by the size of our guns. We're secure enough in our manhood not to need to use firearms. Firearms don't make you more virile; it's a Phallusy.

                                "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                                My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                                Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                Excellent, sir!

                                Workout progress:
                                Current arm size: 14.4in
                                Desired arm size: 18in
                                Next Target: 15.4in by Dec 2010

                                Current training method: HIT

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                                • B bryce

                                  You chaps banned guns left right and centre after Dunblaine ina typical knee jerk reaciton. point of interest - hows that gun crime ticking along now? Bryce

                                  MCAD --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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                                  Our kids books :The Snot Goblin, and Book 2 - the Snotgoblin and Fluff

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                                  Pete OHanlon
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                                  It's fine. When there's a crime involving guns here, it still makes the news because it's not common. Knives now - that's our problem.

                                  "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                  As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                                    Come thee Brother to the 'International League of Pedants', your teachings will be welcomed there.


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                                    Pete OHanlon
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                                    I accept thy welcome Brother.

                                    "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                    As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

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                                    • D devvvy

                                      just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?

                                      dev

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                                      Jonas Hammarberg
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                                      Without Kung Fu (or some other material art) you're toast. With it, you might stand a chance... You might also have learned to walk on the other side of the street... (and a sniper rifle might come in handy ;) )

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                                      • D devvvy

                                        just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?

                                        dev

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                                        Oxians
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                                        big skilled human > small skilled human > big unskilled human > small unskilled human. Size helps, but skill does take precedence. I trained ninjutsu at one time in my life, and I must say that even after 3 years of training it was obvious to me that the much lighter and physically weaker instructors assistant (a girl no less) could kick my ass in under 3 seconds... Even if someone is weaker, if they are well trained, they will be faster, avoid and block blows, hit harder, and actually have an idea of what to do to win... Moral of the story: If you see someone adopt a fighting posture, step back :) disclaimer: this post is meant as a comparison in a perfect "all things being equal" setting, and does not take into account any special conditions such as one combatant holding a gun and beer and the other one running toward him for 50 yards :-D

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                                        • P Pete OHanlon

                                          When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.

                                          "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                                          As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.

                                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Onyx

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                                          devvvy
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                                          But strength of tie is physically conditioning more than "Form" don't you think? It's strength, muscle, physical conditioning, tough sheen that gives a thai fighter his combat effectiveness, not "The Dance".

                                          dev

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