Kung Fu vs Muscle
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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It depends It depends on whether the 80 kg (we work in SI units) is a wimp - has any internal fortitude , has any balls. If hes a sook then hes toast regardless. If he knows how to throw and take a punch and has been in a few real world scraps then hes got a size advantage and experience and then the old adage applies - a good big-un' will usually beat a good little-un'. Occams Razor applies. Bryce
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Roger Wright wrote:
. I can assure you that the 120 lb practitoner of TKD at my level will have little trouble taking down an untrained 180 lb body builder.
In the dojang maybe Mr Wogger. Bryce
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And anywhere else... we didn't play nice at my school. :-D Padding was required for children, of course, and we didn't teach the nastier bits until they were adults. Can't have school kids maiming and killing each other, now can we? :rolleyes:
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Any physical activity that exceeds the effort to aim a pistol and squeeze a trigger is overrated. I'll give you 5 seconds to run 50 yards to kick my ass, but I'm sure my pistol will still kill you before you can touch me, and I won't even have to drop my beer to do it. (And if you're only 120 pounds - or even a body builder - you'll probably be completely winded before you've managed to run 20 of those yards.) FWIW, if it looks like you might get to me before the end of the five seconds, I'll just cheat and shoot you anyway. It's not that I want to win at all costs - I just don't want to take a chance on dropping my beer.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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The size of your penis has nothing to do with it. If I could kill someone at 100 yards with my penis, I wouldn't need a gun. :)
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When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
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Bodybuilder does not necessarily mean less flexibility. If properly trained, these men can be more dangerous than the normal looking ones because of the added power: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar[^] If you've seen that man fighting, you'll agree that the agility is kinda unbelievable for a man *that* muscular.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
No. If someone is swinging a stick at your head, you learn to become a better shot for the next time...
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
No. If someone is swinging a stick at your head, you learn to become a better shot for the next time...
Absolutely. It reminds me of when, back in the day, the unarmed combat instructor couldn't take the class for some reason, so the Sar'n't Major that normally took weapons training took the session instead. His opening remark was: "Gen'l'men - why the fu*k are you unarmed?" Footnote for JSOP:
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
This is the same guy that taught me to double-tap. ;P
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Unlike Americans, here in the UK, we don't measure the size of our penis by the size of our guns. We're secure enough in our manhood not to need to use firearms. Firearms don't make you more virile; it's a Phallusy.
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Excellent, sir!
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You chaps banned guns left right and centre after Dunblaine ina typical knee jerk reaciton. point of interest - hows that gun crime ticking along now? Bryce
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It's fine. When there's a crime involving guns here, it still makes the news because it's not common. Knives now - that's our problem.
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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Without Kung Fu (or some other material art) you're toast. With it, you might stand a chance... You might also have learned to walk on the other side of the street... (and a sniper rifle might come in handy ;) )
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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big skilled human > small skilled human > big unskilled human > small unskilled human. Size helps, but skill does take precedence. I trained ninjutsu at one time in my life, and I must say that even after 3 years of training it was obvious to me that the much lighter and physically weaker instructors assistant (a girl no less) could kick my ass in under 3 seconds... Even if someone is weaker, if they are well trained, they will be faster, avoid and block blows, hit harder, and actually have an idea of what to do to win... Moral of the story: If you see someone adopt a fighting posture, step back :) disclaimer: this post is meant as a comparison in a perfect "all things being equal" setting, and does not take into account any special conditions such as one combatant holding a gun and beer and the other one running toward him for 50 yards :-D
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When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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I've got black sox
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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Kung Fu the martial art, definitely go for the body builder. :P The main thing to consider is that each art is just that, an art. Boxing to fencing to escrima to muay thai. Each in their current form is an art designed to compete against other practitioners of the art. Like a school of fencing. Learning foil means you can fence against other people who know foil, not duel. Having said that, the majority of martial arts will definitely increase speed and reflexes, so you will hit the body builder more often than they'll hit you. You'll also know how to efficiently block and counter. Being a blue belt in karate won't make you awesome and let you beat the body builder, know how to improvise, being very quick and slacking off on the formalities of karate, and your chances of winning go up very quickly. Theoretically of course. ;P
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When I used to do Muay Thai, a bodybuilder started coming to the club (he doubled as a bouncer), and just about everybody in the club kicked seven barrels out of him. He was too musclebound - he had no flexibility, and his movements were slow. A skilled martial artist uses speed and accuracy to defend or attack as appropriate and will have faster reflexes (plus more flexibility) than the bodybuilder. In my reflexes were honed by a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima - when somebody is swinging a stick at high speed towards your head, you learn to defend yourself quickly.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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The size of your penis has nothing to do with it. If I could kill someone at 100 yards with my penis, I wouldn't need a gun. :)
Having studied several different forms of close quarter combat systems I can tell you the stuff is no joke. Do you need to be ultra flexible and supper fast? no but it helps. In the end short simple moves work every time. I've trained my kids to go after the soft targets, eyes, ears, nose, throat, groin. Even a small child can inflict sever damage to these areas if properly instructed. Plus the human body can be taken apart quite easily if you know how. The collar bone will break with just ~5lbs of pressure. You can generate sufficient power with just your thumb to snap someones wrist regardless of how muscular they are. ~80lbs of pressure to the outside of an attackers knee will pop the sucker apart. so on and so on. Oh and I can kill someone at 100 yards with my penis, I thought everyone could...
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
a wonderful Filipino martial art called Escrima
Escrime is the French word for fencing. I wonder if they two are related.
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It wouldn't surprise me.
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As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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just a random thought - I think on average Kung Fu don't work, at least for the avg 120 skinny. The body builder with 180lbs of muscle always (well almost) win I think Kung Fu is overrated (no offense and me no exopert), or am i mistaken?
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I like either a big rock moving really fast, as in: A big rock moving really fast took out the dinosaurs. Or a thousand monkeys as in: The US elected a thousand monkeys to run their government for the benefit of foreign squatters and they got a great depression death spiral. The utility of these is that you can be far enough away that the target doesn’t know where it came from. And it sets up conditions in which the death takes a while. Great entertainment. Your big muscled kung fu is no match for my big rock and thousand monkeys. Ha Ha
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But strength of tie is physically conditioning more than "Form" don't you think? It's strength, muscle, physical conditioning, tough sheen that gives a thai fighter his combat effectiveness, not "The Dance".
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A lot of it is technique. Strength is useful, but technique is vital. That comes through hundreds of hours of practice.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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Any physical activity that exceeds the effort to aim a pistol and squeeze a trigger is overrated. I'll give you 5 seconds to run 50 yards to kick my ass, but I'm sure my pistol will still kill you before you can touch me, and I won't even have to drop my beer to do it. (And if you're only 120 pounds - or even a body builder - you'll probably be completely winded before you've managed to run 20 of those yards.) FWIW, if it looks like you might get to me before the end of the five seconds, I'll just cheat and shoot you anyway. It's not that I want to win at all costs - I just don't want to take a chance on dropping my beer.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 200150 yards? Most fights start and take place within the space of a few square feet. Try and draw your handgun from concealment while someone is pounding on you. And if that person knows how and where to strike, good luck to you. Just my personal opinion as a student of martial arts and an instructor for the usage of handguns in self-defense.