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  • Y Yusuf

    Ok, next month's competition Write a piece of code with the following condition a. You can't use goto (very simple) b. You can't use if statement c. You can't use for loops d. You can't use assignment statements. Good luck :rolleyes:

    Yusuf May I help you?

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    • Y Yusuf

      Ok, next month's competition Write a piece of code with the following condition a. You can't use goto (very simple) b. You can't use if statement c. You can't use for loops d. You can't use assignment statements. Good luck :rolleyes:

      Yusuf May I help you?

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      //if-statement
      if(value == 95.0)
      return 44;
      else
      return 76;

      //switch-block
      switch(value)
      {
      case 95.0:
      return 44;
      default:
      return 76;
      }

      //ternary operator - if feeling frustrated by idiotic constraints, nest as appropriate to share mood with other developers
      return (value == 95.0) ? 44 : 76;

      I suppose I don't need to say how to replace a for loop with a while loop. Not entirely certain how to get around the assignment statements though - maybe another member could shed some light on this?

      OSDev :)

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Too easy, you need to add: e. Make it do something useful.

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          //if-statement
          if(value == 95.0)
          return 44;
          else
          return 76;

          //switch-block
          switch(value)
          {
          case 95.0:
          return 44;
          default:
          return 76;
          }

          //ternary operator - if feeling frustrated by idiotic constraints, nest as appropriate to share mood with other developers
          return (value == 95.0) ? 44 : 76;

          I suppose I don't need to say how to replace a for loop with a while loop. Not entirely certain how to get around the assignment statements though - maybe another member could shed some light on this?

          OSDev :)

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          Lost User
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          I guess you could use tail recursion

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          • R Ravi Bhavnani

            On a (somewhat) related note, I found Big Ball of Mud[^] to be an excellent read. /ravi

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            Roger Wright
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            An excellent read, Ravi! :-D Fortunately, all of my projects are based from inception on the BBoM architecture, which saves me loads of time by never refactoring.

            "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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            • B Brady Kelly

              I've had four beers, but that makes sense. A literal is basically an anonymous object. The following is not allowed in C#, but I think it illustrates the concept of assigning to a literal quite nicely, and we all know how promiscuous older languages were compared to our beloved.

                      var lit = new {Name = "Brady"};
                      lit.Name = "Ennis";
              
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              Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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              The assigning to a literal bug refers to

              4 = 5;

              Being legal code and replacing the binary value of 4 with 5 break all logic based one that literal.

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              • R Roger Wright

                An excellent read, Ravi! :-D Fortunately, all of my projects are based from inception on the BBoM architecture, which saves me loads of time by never refactoring.

                "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                Ravi Bhavnani
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                Hey, btw check your email!  (The one to which CP email replies are sent). /ravi

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                • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                  Yusuf wrote:

                  Write a piece of code with the following condition a. You can't use goto (very simple) b. You can't use if statement c. You can't use for loops d. You can't use assignment statements.

                  //#include <iostream> //wait... we don't any of those!

                  int main()
                  {
                  return; //usage of return is NOT yet banned.
                  }

                  It's time for a new sig. Seriously.

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                  Mladen Jankovic
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                  Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                  **int** main() {   **return;** // return what?usage of return is NOT yet banned. }

                  You see, it's harder then you think.

                  Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                  usage of return is NOT yet banned.

                  And you see why it should be.

                  [Genetic Algorithm Library] [Wowd]

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                  • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                    After we figured out that goto is bad[^] and established that if statement is not much better[^], and of course for loops should be avoided at all cost[^] it is time for another logical step in that direction: ladies and gentlemen I give you Assignment Statement Considered Harmful[^].

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                    Lost User
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                    They even admitted that SSA exists - what's the problem then? Just use that.

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                    • M Mladen Jankovic

                      Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                      **int** main() {   **return;** // return what?usage of return is NOT yet banned. }

                      You see, it's harder then you think.

                      Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                      usage of return is NOT yet banned.

                      And you see why it should be.

                      [Genetic Algorithm Library] [Wowd]

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                      Rajesh R Subramanian
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                      :((

                      It's time for a new sig. Seriously.

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                        • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                          After we figured out that goto is bad[^] and established that if statement is not much better[^], and of course for loops should be avoided at all cost[^] it is time for another logical step in that direction: ladies and gentlemen I give you Assignment Statement Considered Harmful[^].

                          utf8-cpp

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                          Tomz_KV
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                          With so many harmful statements, not much left for a programmer to use.

                          TOMZ_KV

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                          • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                            After we figured out that goto is bad[^] and established that if statement is not much better[^], and of course for loops should be avoided at all cost[^] it is time for another logical step in that direction: ladies and gentlemen I give you Assignment Statement Considered Harmful[^].

                            utf8-cpp

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                              and dihydrogen monoxide (in large enough quantities)

                              What do you mean? I've literally been swimming in it.


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                              • Y Yusuf

                                Ok, next month's competition Write a piece of code with the following condition a. You can't use goto (very simple) b. You can't use if statement c. You can't use for loops d. You can't use assignment statements. Good luck :rolleyes:

                                Yusuf May I help you?

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                                Lilith C
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                                Does it need to be commercially viable?

                                I'm not a programmer but I play one at the office

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                                • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                  After we figured out that goto is bad[^] and established that if statement is not much better[^], and of course for loops should be avoided at all cost[^] it is time for another logical step in that direction: ladies and gentlemen I give you Assignment Statement Considered Harmful[^].

                                  utf8-cpp

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                                  Trajan McGill
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                                  Alas, I think the author has a basic misunderstanding, which is to think of a variable as a place rather than as a placeholder. A variable is not a register, a glass of water, or a memory location. A variable is a symbol for a value, which happens to be represented on a computer by registers or memory locations or other means of storage. Consider where the concept comes from: algebra. A mathematician might say something like, "Let 'r' represent the radius of a circle. Let 'pi' represent the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. We may find the area of any circle by the formula (pi * r * r)." In that sort of language, we see that a variable is not "storing" something, it is "standing in for" something. It is a symbol assigned an association with a particular variable, in the same way the words "he" or "she" or "it" may be assigned an association with a particular person or thing in some context. And just like it is possible to associate "he" with one person, and then in the next paragraph associated it with another, or just like we may successively let 'r' stand for many radii if we need to calculate areas of multiple circles, assigning a new value to a variable is perfectly reasonable. It is simply a re-association, in the same way "Hank Williams" and "Martin Luther King" each originally was a word pointer to a certain man, and now is typically used to point to the original man's son. So to say: x = 5; ... x = 10; Is simply asking the reader (or compiler) to, at one time, consider the string "x" to be a stand-in for the value 5, and later instructing the reader to consider the same string as a stand-in for the value 10. As for the following: x = 5; y = 10; ... x = y; It appears at first glance as though it could be a confusion of things and types, but even this is not, really. Remember that "y" is not really a thing that is being assigned to x. It doesn't mean, "Assign 5 to x. Now assign 10 to y. Now assign the object y to x." The string "y" is simply a stand-in, a representation that could be replaced in-line with whatever value it is currently associated with. So "x = y;" is no different than "x = 10;" in the above case. So it is also, contrary to the article's contentions, entirely possible for x to equal y. x equals y whenever the value for which "x" stands equals the value for which "y" stands. Now, if you're astute, you might note that when "x" or "y" appears on the left side of the assignment operator, it isn't acting the

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                                  • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                    After we figured out that goto is bad[^] and established that if statement is not much better[^], and of course for loops should be avoided at all cost[^] it is time for another logical step in that direction: ladies and gentlemen I give you Assignment Statement Considered Harmful[^].

                                    utf8-cpp

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                                    jsc42
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                                    Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                    goto is bad[^]

                                    :doh: Irony: Follow the link for 'goto is bad' and hover over the house icon above the 'GoTo Considered Harmful' title on the page. The tooltip says 'go to mainpage'. There are still some places where 'go to' is the easiest way of describing navigating around things.

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                                    • A AspDotNetDev

                                      aspdotnetdev wrote:

                                      not if those large quantities are on a planet you are not on

                                      Actually, that could be lethal too, if the gravity is sufficient to cause a sheer force that rips you apart.

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                                      Fabio Hasseck
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                                      you mean black hole? XD

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                                      • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                        After we figured out that goto is bad[^] and established that if statement is not much better[^], and of course for loops should be avoided at all cost[^] it is time for another logical step in that direction: ladies and gentlemen I give you Assignment Statement Considered Harmful[^].

                                        utf8-cpp

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                                        The chief cause of bugs is writing code.... so I guess if we don't write any, we'll eliminate the bugs.

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                                        • Y Yusuf

                                          Ok, next month's competition Write a piece of code with the following condition a. You can't use goto (very simple) b. You can't use if statement c. You can't use for loops d. You can't use assignment statements. Good luck :rolleyes:

                                          Yusuf May I help you?

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                                          int max( int a, int b ) { return a > b ? a : b; } Pure C ...

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