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And this is a surprise? It was always going to be this way. The Iraqi "parliament" was always going to make Saddam look like a dove by acting like hawks (on his orders obviously). The he comes along and overturns their decision saying "look at me, I am a man of peace". A load of stage-managed bullsh*t. Now the game of cat and mouse with the UN will begin before the shooting war starts in the Spring. I think there is zero chance of a war being avoided - the decision has already been made. The US/UK will attack next year, and if they don't have a good reason by then, then they'll conjur one up. Cynical yes, but mark my words - a second Gulf War war is already an absolute certainty.
When I am king, you will be first against the wall.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: I think there is zero chance of a war being avoided - the decision has already been made. The US/UK will attack next year, and if they don't have a good reason by then, then they'll conjur one up. Cynical yes, but mark my words - a second Gulf War war is already an absolute certainty. You may be correct. I put the odds at about 20:1 for avoiding some kind of war. :( However, if (and it is obviously a BIG if) this whole thing works out peacefully and Iraq is disarmed before Saddam can wreak havoc, will any of the current Bush/Blair bashers give them any credit at all? I put the odds at about 1000:1 against. :) Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,70231,00.html[^] Iraq accepts resolution BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
I'm getting tired of it: get gas mask from closet, put gas mask to closet, get gas mask... C'mon decide already.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,70231,00.html[^] Iraq accepts resolution BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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benjymous wrote: It's all just been stalling tactics from what I can see That's what worries me. For those who were adults with proper access to news at the time (I was in boarding school... ), can anyone please tell me why the last Gulf War was fought, but the same government was left in power, to run riot again? Why are we back in this situation 11 years on?
Ooh, haven't been in a sig for ages :-D - Benjymous
Megan Forbes wrote: but the same government was left in power, to run riot again The plan was that the Iraqi people would be so upset over the sanctions and other consequences of the war that they would oust Saddam. Instead what happened is the state owned news blamed the sanctions and consequences on the US and allies so Saddam appeared to be the hero. James - out of order -
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Megan Forbes wrote: but the same government was left in power, to run riot again The plan was that the Iraqi people would be so upset over the sanctions and other consequences of the war that they would oust Saddam. Instead what happened is the state owned news blamed the sanctions and consequences on the US and allies so Saddam appeared to be the hero. James - out of order -
James T. Johnson wrote: The plan was that the Iraqi people would be so upset over the sanctions and other consequences of the war that they would oust Saddam. Hmmm... I can see how that worked well. When will the UN realise that applying sanctions to countries with natural resources (oil, gold, diamonds, whatever) is not effective?
Ooh, haven't been in a sig for ages :-D - Benjymous
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To put it as simply as possible: Bush likes oil Sounds rediculous, but that's pretty much all it's been about (for either of the Bushes) oh yeah, "benjymous" is written with a lower case b ;P -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: Bush likes oil Sounds rediculous, but that's pretty much all it's been about (for either of the Bushes) Really? I seem to remember the same bleeding heart euro-centric UN that we hear today demanding that Desert Storm end as soon as Iraq left Kuwait. Left on his own Bush senior would have gladly taken out Hussein. Seems to me the UN has once again made victims of us all. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
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benjymous wrote: Bush likes oil Sounds rediculous, but that's pretty much all it's been about (for either of the Bushes) Really? I seem to remember the same bleeding heart euro-centric UN that we hear today demanding that Desert Storm end as soon as Iraq left Kuwait. Left on his own Bush senior would have gladly taken out Hussein. Seems to me the UN has once again made victims of us all. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Pretty much all of the Bush family money comes from Oil, and (it at least appears) that the whole interest in the gulf is gaining control of the oilfields -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Maybe I'm just cynical, but I can't help feeling that the weapon inspectors will get there, and still find places they're not allowed to look, and it'll take another year or so to progress any further. It's all just been stalling tactics from what I can see :| -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
I don't think this will happen. I know what an itchy trigger finger Bush has. If any little excuse comes up, Kaboom! End of story. I think the real reason is that the stalling that's already taken place has given Iraq enough time to hide the WOMDs very, very well. Saddam himself hides behind scores of look-alikes and decoys. How much more would he be willing and able to hide his big weapons?
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
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Saddam Dubbuyuh Hussain? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: Saddam Dubbuyuh Hussain? Not much makes me laugh now that Seinfeld has been off the air for like 10 years... but that made me laugh so loud the chap next to me thought I was going bonkers! Good one. Dave "Dak Lozar" Loeser When access is allowed to a member, it said to be accessible. Otherwise, it is inaccessible.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,70231,00.html[^] Iraq accepts resolution BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
So why is Iraq immunizing their soldiers against nerve gas [^]if there's not going to be a war? Hmmmm. Something's fishy there. :~
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
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benjymous wrote: It's all just been stalling tactics from what I can see That's what worries me. For those who were adults with proper access to news at the time (I was in boarding school... ), can anyone please tell me why the last Gulf War was fought, but the same government was left in power, to run riot again? Why are we back in this situation 11 years on?
Ooh, haven't been in a sig for ages :-D - Benjymous
Megan Forbes wrote: Why are we back in this situation 11 years on? Because Papa Bush didn't go into Baghdad and finish. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: I think there is zero chance of a war being avoided - the decision has already been made. The US/UK will attack next year, and if they don't have a good reason by then, then they'll conjur one up. Cynical yes, but mark my words - a second Gulf War war is already an absolute certainty. You may be correct. I put the odds at about 20:1 for avoiding some kind of war. :( However, if (and it is obviously a BIG if) this whole thing works out peacefully and Iraq is disarmed before Saddam can wreak havoc, will any of the current Bush/Blair bashers give them any credit at all? I put the odds at about 1000:1 against. :) Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Mike Mullikin wrote: will any of the current Bush/Blair bashers give them any credit at all? Nope. They'll stand around saying see, all our bitching and moaning about what Bush/Blair were doing helped stop another war. BW "I'm coming with you! I got you fired, it's the least I can do. Well, the least I could do is absolutely nothing, but I'll go you one better and come along!" - Homer J. Simpson
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To put it as simply as possible: Bush likes oil Sounds rediculous, but that's pretty much all it's been about (for either of the Bushes) oh yeah, "benjymous" is written with a lower case b ;P -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
benjymous wrote: Bush likes oil This is such a stupid argument. If it was about oil, all Bush had to due was ask for the sanctions to be relaxed on humanitarian grounds. The UN would have done so with glee and he would have gained huge popularity world-wide. Moreover, who's making all this "oil" money? Oil company stocks have gone down regardless of the rumor of the day.
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Yes that is funny :) "I will find a new sig someday."
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benjymous wrote: It's all just been stalling tactics from what I can see That's what worries me. For those who were adults with proper access to news at the time (I was in boarding school... ), can anyone please tell me why the last Gulf War was fought, but the same government was left in power, to run riot again? Why are we back in this situation 11 years on?
Ooh, haven't been in a sig for ages :-D - Benjymous
Megan Forbes wrote: For those who were adults with proper access to news at the time
Megan Forbes wrote: Why are we back in this situation 11 years on? Because the world opinion was to limit the war to containment. The US did just that and no more. "I will find a new sig someday." -
benjymous wrote: Bush likes oil Sounds rediculous, but that's pretty much all it's been about (for either of the Bushes) Really? I seem to remember the same bleeding heart euro-centric UN that we hear today demanding that Desert Storm end as soon as Iraq left Kuwait. Left on his own Bush senior would have gladly taken out Hussein. Seems to me the UN has once again made victims of us all. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Mike Mullikin wrote: Really? I seem to remember the same bleeding heart euro-centric UN that we hear today demanding that Desert Storm end as soon as Iraq left Kuwait. Left on his own Bush senior would have gladly taken out Hussein Interesting - I guess hindsight is an exact science and all that.
Ooh, haven't been in a sig for ages :-D - Benjymous
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Regards, Brian Dela :-)
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Saddam Dubbuyuh Hussain? -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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Megan Forbes wrote: apparently his son talked him into it. Oh dear. So Bush Snr has Bush Jnr and now we have Saddam Jnr... :rolleyes:
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Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul WatsonWho would be the worst? I vote for the Bush family. evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
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Who would be the worst? I vote for the Bush family. evilpen dot net::msn messenger:negacao@hotmail.com
Kristopher wrote: Who would be the worst? I vote for the Bush family. If those are my only choices I choose not to vote and see if I can book a ticket to Mars.
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Cape Town, South Africabenjymous wrote: Saddam Dubbuyuh Hussain?