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So that shiny IDE is not so new under the covers [modified - added image]

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  • L Lost User

    How did you manage to create a file named .wtf in the first place? Explorer does not let me do that.

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    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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    I think it means hidden file in *nux

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    • S Sushant Joshi

      That is a work around my friend, however, a bug is a bug .. :)

      Sucess is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.

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      realJSOP
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      Alright - when was the last time *you* accounted for filenames that start with a dot? If you ask me, there's nothing wrong with the IDE (in this instance).

      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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      • D Dan Neely

        harold aptroot wrote:

        I just don't try to break things on purpose Smile

        Neither does Christian, yet he find more broken stuff than any 3 other CPians put together.

        3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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        Chris C B
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        Dan Neely wrote:

        Neither does Christian, yet he find more broken stuff than any 3 all other CPians put together.

        FTFY

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        • R realJSOP

          Alright - when was the last time *you* accounted for filenames that start with a dot? If you ask me, there's nothing wrong with the IDE (in this instance).

          .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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          Sushant Joshi
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          Never, in fact as per most of the organizations coding standards, you cannot keep any special character in the file name :)

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          • L Lost User

            I don't consider trying to break my filesystem with semi-illegal names to be an essential part of testing..

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            Daniel Grunwald
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            File names starting with . are used commonly in unix land (it's the equivalent of hidden files there). And all unix tools ported to Windows keep using those file names. Surely you have some .svn folder? Ever heard of Apache .htaccess files? Even the .NET installation creates some folders starting with a .! Just because Explorer is retarded doesn't mean those file names are illegal. They work in basically every other program except for Explorer and VS (and the VS bug is just cosmetic). It's perfectly possible to create a file called ".docx" with Word. Semi-illegal would be filenames such as "con" - Word doesn't let you save such files, and if you do create them (echo Test > \\.\c:\con), you won't be able to delete them in Explorer.

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              File names starting with . are used commonly in unix land (it's the equivalent of hidden files there). And all unix tools ported to Windows keep using those file names. Surely you have some .svn folder? Ever heard of Apache .htaccess files? Even the .NET installation creates some folders starting with a .! Just because Explorer is retarded doesn't mean those file names are illegal. They work in basically every other program except for Explorer and VS (and the VS bug is just cosmetic). It's perfectly possible to create a file called ".docx" with Word. Semi-illegal would be filenames such as "con" - Word doesn't let you save such files, and if you do create them (echo Test > \\.\c:\con), you won't be able to delete them in Explorer.

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              Lost User
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              So it's more of a bug in Explorer I guess - still, it's not my job to find ways to give files names that you shouldn't give them.

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              • L leppie

                Today I found another VS bug. Again present in both VS2008 and VS2010 flavors. :sigh: Not that it is a bad bug, it is purely cosmetic, but you would expect a company like MS to be professional and to find and fix a bug in the last 4 or more years (perhaps it does the same on older VS too, I dont have any to test with). Anyways, the bug: Open any file whose (file)name starts with a . (a full-stop, eg .wtf). :doh: PS: I tried to find a report on the MS Connect site, but found no results. I could report this bug, but like MS I can't be bothered. Update: Here is what I and some of the others are seeing. The tooltip shows the correct text. http://i.imgur.com/zDUKB.png[^]

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                kinar
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                Like a couple others here... I tried this in both VS2k10 and VS2k5 and don't see any issues. I don't even see any issue with the tab display like other people are reporting.. Hmm...

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                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                  The problem being? I opened the file and edited it and then saved it. I id not find anything unusual except the tab title.

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                  kinar
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                  Mine even showed a correct tab title... both VS2k10 and VS2k5

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                  • K kinar

                    Like a couple others here... I tried this in both VS2k10 and VS2k5 and don't see any issues. I don't even see any issue with the tab display like other people are reporting.. Hmm...

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                    leppie
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                    Maybe it's a culture setting.

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                    • L leppie

                      Maybe it's a culture setting.

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                      kinar
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                      Maybe At first I was thinking it was cause I run it as admin but I even tried it without admin rights and everything works there too. Just curious, what exactly are you seeing? does it crash? or is it the tab display that others are reporting? Or something else?

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                      • L leppie

                        Today I found another VS bug. Again present in both VS2008 and VS2010 flavors. :sigh: Not that it is a bad bug, it is purely cosmetic, but you would expect a company like MS to be professional and to find and fix a bug in the last 4 or more years (perhaps it does the same on older VS too, I dont have any to test with). Anyways, the bug: Open any file whose (file)name starts with a . (a full-stop, eg .wtf). :doh: PS: I tried to find a report on the MS Connect site, but found no results. I could report this bug, but like MS I can't be bothered. Update: Here is what I and some of the others are seeing. The tooltip shows the correct text. http://i.imgur.com/zDUKB.png[^]

                        xacc.ide
                        IronScheme - 1.0 RC 1 - out now!
                        ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth Edition

                        modified on Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:15 PM

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                        Ray Cassick
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                        ??? Windows XP does not even seem to allow that... I create a blank 'New Text Document.txt' on my desktop. I then try to rename it to '.New Text Document.txt' and amd told: "You must type a filename."


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                        • K kinar

                          Maybe At first I was thinking it was cause I run it as admin but I even tried it without admin rights and everything works there too. Just curious, what exactly are you seeing? does it crash? or is it the tab display that others are reporting? Or something else?

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                          leppie
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                          Here you go: http://i.imgur.com/zDUKB.png[^]

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                          • C Chris C B

                            Dan Neely wrote:

                            Neither does Christian, yet he find more broken stuff than any 3 all other CPians put together.

                            FTFY

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                            Lost User
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                            :bob:zilla? :wtf:

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                            • R realJSOP

                              Of course, you could just name files like normal people, and avoid this problem altogether.

                              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                              -----
                              "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                              0x3c0
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                              Git uses a .gitignore file to exclude files from an upload (commonly used so people don't get the object files when uploading source code.) Naming files like normal people isn't always an option.

                              OSDev :)

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                              • R realJSOP

                                Alright - when was the last time *you* accounted for filenames that start with a dot? If you ask me, there's nothing wrong with the IDE (in this instance).

                                .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                -----
                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                -----
                                "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                dandy72
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                                John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                Alright - when was the last time *you* accounted for filenames that start with a dot?

                                A lot of programming books use ".NET [something]" as a book title, and the matching .PDF starts with a leading dot. Adobe Reader, Foxit, etc don't complain about the filename at all. Mind you, if it weren't for this particular example, I'd totally agree with you...especially considering that *Explorer*, of all things, won't let you name files as such.

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                                • L leppie

                                  Today I found another VS bug. Again present in both VS2008 and VS2010 flavors. :sigh: Not that it is a bad bug, it is purely cosmetic, but you would expect a company like MS to be professional and to find and fix a bug in the last 4 or more years (perhaps it does the same on older VS too, I dont have any to test with). Anyways, the bug: Open any file whose (file)name starts with a . (a full-stop, eg .wtf). :doh: PS: I tried to find a report on the MS Connect site, but found no results. I could report this bug, but like MS I can't be bothered. Update: Here is what I and some of the others are seeing. The tooltip shows the correct text. http://i.imgur.com/zDUKB.png[^]

                                  xacc.ide
                                  IronScheme - 1.0 RC 1 - out now!
                                  ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth Edition

                                  modified on Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:15 PM

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                                  Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                  VS2010 is anything but shiny under the covers. If anything, it has roughy the same number of warts per MB as VS2005 had at release (clue: that's a lot). Judging by the nature of the breaking changes in VS2010 (e.g. Intellisense in C++/CLI) the Developer Division is anything but agile in the way they work. The fixed releases and predetermined deadlines just stink of waterfall to me. I'm willing to bet any of the MS guys a beer that it doesn't have that many unit tests, either. * Agile with a very small 'a' - I'm far from dogmatic about these things, and firmly believe in bending processes to suit the project.

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                                  • D David Crow

                                    leppie wrote:

                                    Anyways, the bug: Open any file whose (file)name starts with a . (a full-stop, eg .wtf).

                                    No problem with VS6.

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                                    Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                                    Lots of other problems though! ;P

                                    Anna :rose: Tech Blog | Visual Lint "Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"

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                                    • R realJSOP

                                      Alright - when was the last time *you* accounted for filenames that start with a dot? If you ask me, there's nothing wrong with the IDE (in this instance).

                                      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                      -----
                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                      -----
                                      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                      Gary R Wheeler
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                                      This[^] seems to be a fairly comprehensive article on the subject. Quoting from a point about 25% down the page: 'However, it is acceptable to specify a period as the first character of a name. For example, ".temp".' I've usually treated the string ".temp" as a file in the current directory with the base name "" (empty string) and the extension ".temp". The string ".temp.crap", however, has the base name ".temp" and the extension ".crap". Most Windows API's, shell functions, and even C run-time library functions (_splitpath() and the like) seem to work this way. I despise applications that don't support the full range of file path syntax. I've seen far too many applications with stupid limits: 32 character paths, no spaces in names, ASCII alphanumerics only in names, and so on. You actually have to work harder to impose those limits, so why bother?

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                                      • L leppie

                                        Today I found another VS bug. Again present in both VS2008 and VS2010 flavors. :sigh: Not that it is a bad bug, it is purely cosmetic, but you would expect a company like MS to be professional and to find and fix a bug in the last 4 or more years (perhaps it does the same on older VS too, I dont have any to test with). Anyways, the bug: Open any file whose (file)name starts with a . (a full-stop, eg .wtf). :doh: PS: I tried to find a report on the MS Connect site, but found no results. I could report this bug, but like MS I can't be bothered. Update: Here is what I and some of the others are seeing. The tooltip shows the correct text. http://i.imgur.com/zDUKB.png[^]

                                        xacc.ide
                                        IronScheme - 1.0 RC 1 - out now!
                                        ((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth Edition

                                        modified on Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:15 PM

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                                        GenJerDan
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                                        What, exactly, is the bug? Works fine for me as far as I can see.

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          How did you manage to create a file named .wtf in the first place? Explorer does not let me do that.

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                                          User 4223959
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                                          Just FYI: leading dot is used on Linux for hidden files. Subversion client called TortoiseSVN (imho, best source control client on Windows) uses it too: it stored data in hidden folders named ".svn". They say that VS prior to VS 2005 had issues with this, and they had a workaround to use "_svn" as a name of the hidden directory.

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