Why VB.Net blah blah... [modified]
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There is no conceivable reason whatsoever to do such a thing. If I found my minion pulling a trick like that, I would leave his head mounted on a pike outside the castle wall as a warning to the applicants to assume his position.
Software Zen:
delete this;I have a strong feeling that you and I are so much alike that we could almost finish each other's sentences.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
I wasn't ready for this:
Dim [step] as String
I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM
I also have to port stuff from C# to VB ( :( ): Public Enum Status Success Warning [Error] End Enum Without the [], I would have to name Error something else (Fubar comes to mind), and change every piece of code that uses it.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on! Code, follow, or get out of the way.
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You do realize that correcting John's spelling when he's pissed about something is about as safe as telling Chuck Norris to keep off the grass?
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
You do realize that correcting John's spelling when he's pissed about something is about as safe as telling Chuck Norris to keep off the grass?
Actually it's less safe. You can do the latter safely if you word it right, just ask him to one up Jesus by walking on air. :laugh:
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
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I wasn't ready for this:
Dim [step] as String
I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM
You sir are living in your own personal hell, my condolences. :)
“If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea” - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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I'm using a web site that converts. For the most part, it does an okay job, but Linq statements tend to freak it out. I have a LOT of linq statements. I hate pretty much everything about VB, so this makes me hate my job. I updated my resume last night. I think my boss doesn't want to learn C#. I recognize that VB abnd C# are pretty much the same, but the differences are infuriating, and I simply don't like coding in it. NOTHING will change my outlook regarding VB. It has no redeeming features.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
think my boss doesn't want to learn C#
That was the complaint I got from my boss when I moved the teams to c#. We still support the VB apps but at least the move stuck. I have too many years making a living with VB to bitch about it. Just another tool as far as I care.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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It's like saying that assembler should not use jump statements or certain constructs. When you are auto-generating code which is not supposed to be read by anyone (sort of like ASP.NET does) this feature works well. The neat thing is that codedom automatically takes care of this.
It is also the only way I know to pass the HttpAttribute "class" (@class=""), which happens to be a reserved word, to be able to use CSS on a custom control defined in a HttpHelper. :thumbsup:
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There is no conceivable reason whatsoever to do such a thing. If I found my minion pulling a trick like that, I would leave his head mounted on a pike outside the castle wall as a warning to the applicants to assume his position.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
There is no conceivable reason whatsoever to do such a thing
I guess it's meant to be used mostly by automated tools generating source code. I've seen
@objectused as a variable/parameter name when the type isobject, like sopublic override void Equals(object @object)
{ ... }Regards Senthil _____________________________ My Home Page |My Blog | My Articles | My Flickr | WinMacro
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I'm using a web site that converts. For the most part, it does an okay job, but Linq statements tend to freak it out. I have a LOT of linq statements. I hate pretty much everything about VB, so this makes me hate my job. I updated my resume last night. I think my boss doesn't want to learn C#. I recognize that VB abnd C# are pretty much the same, but the differences are infuriating, and I simply don't like coding in it. NOTHING will change my outlook regarding VB. It has no redeeming features.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Download SharpDevelop its an open source C# IDE that has a built in C# to VB and vice versa converter works like a charm, I write in VB and an constanly too lazy to convert C# to VB manually, or you can get hold of .net reflector, you can reverse engineer the whole project into any .net lanugauge you want in one foul swoop. :)
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I wasn't ready for this:
Dim [step] as String
I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM
This is one of the most shocking and most stupid things I've ever heard. If I were you I would throw pretty much every argument I have and can google in order to make him change his mind. I can suggest you one (hope not to be flamed): VB programmers are VB programmers because they don't know or are incapable of programming in any other language. Converting the project to VB is a downgrade in quality and practices. It will stimulate bad programmers to join the project's team and it will repel good programmers and thus, decreasing the quality of the software and it's maintenance. And yes, VB is a scourge and I feel pretty ashamed to have started programming on it (VB 5).
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
There is no conceivable reason whatsoever to do such a thing
I guess it's meant to be used mostly by automated tools generating source code. I've seen
@objectused as a variable/parameter name when the type isobject, like sopublic override void Equals(object @object)
{ ... }Regards Senthil _____________________________ My Home Page |My Blog | My Articles | My Flickr | WinMacro
So what? The automated tool could just as easily generate a decorated name (
__object__) that wasn't a reserved name in the language. I maintain that this is a stupid feature, one that inexperienced programmers will delight in, and the rest of us will have to clean up their shit.Software Zen:
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I wasn't ready for this:
Dim [step] as String
I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM
It's not pretty but that kinda thing does come in handy from time to time. Like in SQL when you would like to name things semantically - like calling a field [Option] because, well, it's an option. I agree it's not really the greatest feature but it does allow for a bit more flexibility and so long as the person coding knows what they're doing it's not a problem. It was also mentioned earlier that it's there for backwards compatibility so if in a later version of a language they want to add a new keyword then they can do so without running the risk of completely mangling older code. Smarter people than us have developed all these languages so there's pretty much always gonna be a good reason behind these things whether we like them or not ;) PS: When will they add inline if statements to VB? :(
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This is one of the most shocking and most stupid things I've ever heard. If I were you I would throw pretty much every argument I have and can google in order to make him change his mind. I can suggest you one (hope not to be flamed): VB programmers are VB programmers because they don't know or are incapable of programming in any other language. Converting the project to VB is a downgrade in quality and practices. It will stimulate bad programmers to join the project's team and it will repel good programmers and thus, decreasing the quality of the software and it's maintenance. And yes, VB is a scourge and I feel pretty ashamed to have started programming on it (VB 5).
VB is designed to be human readable and easy to understand and it does the job just fine. The only bad VB programmers out there are programmers that are equally bad at programming in any other language - it's not the language that's at fault, it's the people using it poorly. Give a bad driver a bentley and he'll still crash it regardless of how awesome it is. Converting to VB just means a project will have slightly less OO control and capability. In most situations you don't need those extra goodies in any case. One day you will be saying exactly the same thing about C#. Back in the day people thought VB was awesome too. Languages suit personal tastes and styles and the task at hand. Like if I need to write a game I use C#, if I need to make a simple windows app I use VB. Give an example of why VB is terrible rather than just complaining about it and then give an example of why another language is so much greater :(
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I wasn't ready for this:
Dim [step] as String
I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM
not sure what the fuss is all about! its a feature supported by (almost) all the languages out there!!! with all due respect, looks like you are just frustrated for having to work in vb!!! ..peace... :rose: btw... yes i do develop in vb most of the time :)
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I'm using a web site that converts. For the most part, it does an okay job, but Linq statements tend to freak it out. I have a LOT of linq statements. I hate pretty much everything about VB, so this makes me hate my job. I updated my resume last night. I think my boss doesn't want to learn C#. I recognize that VB abnd C# are pretty much the same, but the differences are infuriating, and I simply don't like coding in it. NOTHING will change my outlook regarding VB. It has no redeeming features.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
VB is designed to be human readable and easy to understand and it does the job just fine. The only bad VB programmers out there are programmers that are equally bad at programming in any other language - it's not the language that's at fault, it's the people using it poorly. Give a bad driver a bentley and he'll still crash it regardless of how awesome it is. Converting to VB just means a project will have slightly less OO control and capability. In most situations you don't need those extra goodies in any case. One day you will be saying exactly the same thing about C#. Back in the day people thought VB was awesome too. Languages suit personal tastes and styles and the task at hand. Like if I need to write a game I use C#, if I need to make a simple windows app I use VB. Give an example of why VB is terrible rather than just complaining about it and then give an example of why another language is so much greater :(
John Simmons already posted in his original thread an example of how VB is terrible. There are many others like having to turn Option Stric On to forbid conversions that have loss of precision. This and many other goodies of VB are just a trap to attract bad practices. I myself had to do a lot of re-learning and training to get rid of terrible habits I aquired with VB. Yes, VB is easier to understand for new programmers, it's more readable to them (not to me of course). I agree with you that the language itself isn't enough to tell if someone is a good or a bad programmer. But I think most will agree with me that there are much more bad programmers in VB than there is in C# and that are much more great programmers in C# than there is in VB. The car analogy is also perfect for that. How many excelent drivers are in this group? Car equiped with: Automatic transmission, traction control, ABS brakes, auto traction compensation and on this: Car equiped with: Manual transmission, no traction control, Hardcore brakes, Do high speed turns on your on skill That's my point. Nothing against someone prefer VB, but I'd never do a VB based project if I owned a company. [Edit] My original post was a little offensive and it's not to be taken serious and personally. It does not mean it's a fact, it's just how I feel about it without having to put all arguments on the table.
modified on Friday, November 19, 2010 6:53 AM
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I wasn't ready for this:
Dim [step] as String
I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM
Is it time to start the flaming yet? C# has its pros/cons VB.net has its pros/cons For instance - I hate C# in VS as it doesn't background compile - change some stuff and you have no way of knowing if it will build before you actually build it - pretty annoying on large projects.. Which one is the best? We'll never know..
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I wasn't ready for this:
Dim [step] as String
I was shocked and appalled to find out that VB allows you to do this kind of thing - using reserved words as variable names... Not only freakin' amazing, but amazingly bad practice... And you guys should just go ahead and brace yoourselves - after coding our Silverlight project in C# since March (and that is between 90 and 95% completed), my boss had a fit and decided he wanted it converted to VB because that's what everything else in the shop is coded in (and he was the one that okayed C# to begin with). I am (and I think understandably so) quite upset/annoyed/pissed off about it. Expect to see more posts like this as I progress through the conversion. IMHO, VB is a scourge on mankind.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001modified on Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:55 AM
I still don't understand why everyone moans so much about VB when all you have to do is to use it intelligently and it is as good as any other language I haven't come across a language yet (limited experience admittedly) that you cannot do something stupid in you can get in a car and drive it into a wall but it would be "amazingly bad practice" you can hold a gun or a knife and hurt yourself but it would be "amazingly bad practice" Sorry about the rant, having a bad day and was trying to divert myself when I read this thread
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John Simmons already posted in his original thread an example of how VB is terrible. There are many others like having to turn Option Stric On to forbid conversions that have loss of precision. This and many other goodies of VB are just a trap to attract bad practices. I myself had to do a lot of re-learning and training to get rid of terrible habits I aquired with VB. Yes, VB is easier to understand for new programmers, it's more readable to them (not to me of course). I agree with you that the language itself isn't enough to tell if someone is a good or a bad programmer. But I think most will agree with me that there are much more bad programmers in VB than there is in C# and that are much more great programmers in C# than there is in VB. The car analogy is also perfect for that. How many excelent drivers are in this group? Car equiped with: Automatic transmission, traction control, ABS brakes, auto traction compensation and on this: Car equiped with: Manual transmission, no traction control, Hardcore brakes, Do high speed turns on your on skill That's my point. Nothing against someone prefer VB, but I'd never do a VB based project if I owned a company. [Edit] My original post was a little offensive and it's not to be taken serious and personally. It does not mean it's a fact, it's just how I feel about it without having to put all arguments on the table.
modified on Friday, November 19, 2010 6:53 AM
Haha, basically at the end of the day it all comes down to situation and preference ;) If I knew someone was a terrible dev I would make damn sure they use a strict managed language like C# so that no funny business happens - unless they are making a calculator in which case I don't really care :} I mean none of the popular languages are inherently bad languages or terribly structured. Given a decent dev they can all shine and accomplish any of the tasks that are given to them. Some of them are just unfortunate enough to attract the less skilled, especially the ones that are very easy to understand and develop in - poor VB really gets the short end of that stick, grandpa Delphi as well. Then more skilled devs have to come in afterwards to fix the mess and the raging begins ;) Personally, I have a very unnatural dislike for Java (like some have for VB) even though I know it isn't actually a bad language and is actually pretty good at a lot of things. No matter what anyone tells me though, I will never, never use it out of choice :3 In all honesty I only use VB now for small applications or applications where I am the only developer or can trust the devs I'm working with. I really enjoy implicit conversion and my coding style and way of thinking prevent the horrors that could otherwise result from it. Don't get me wrong, I've raged aplenty over the years but I'm past that now so its no longer and issue. Nowadays I'm normally doing PHP dev so it doesn't matter anymore ;3 I will say though that if my C++ skills were better I would use that and only that - C++ is the epitome of sheer awesomeness (barring the fact that it's old and hasn't got a lot of the fancy new stuff). This post of mine is rather pointless once all is said and done but i like speaking my mind and if you've read this far it wasn't a total waste ;) PS: C# is cool and I wish the VS environment would be enhanced and improved so that parsing and the display of parsing results in the text editor would not be so miserably slow. One thing VB beats C# at! ;)
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I still don't understand why everyone moans so much about VB when all you have to do is to use it intelligently and it is as good as any other language I haven't come across a language yet (limited experience admittedly) that you cannot do something stupid in you can get in a car and drive it into a wall but it would be "amazingly bad practice" you can hold a gun or a knife and hurt yourself but it would be "amazingly bad practice" Sorry about the rant, having a bad day and was trying to divert myself when I read this thread
*hand on shoulder* the week is nearly over, hang in there!!
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Haha, basically at the end of the day it all comes down to situation and preference ;) If I knew someone was a terrible dev I would make damn sure they use a strict managed language like C# so that no funny business happens - unless they are making a calculator in which case I don't really care :} I mean none of the popular languages are inherently bad languages or terribly structured. Given a decent dev they can all shine and accomplish any of the tasks that are given to them. Some of them are just unfortunate enough to attract the less skilled, especially the ones that are very easy to understand and develop in - poor VB really gets the short end of that stick, grandpa Delphi as well. Then more skilled devs have to come in afterwards to fix the mess and the raging begins ;) Personally, I have a very unnatural dislike for Java (like some have for VB) even though I know it isn't actually a bad language and is actually pretty good at a lot of things. No matter what anyone tells me though, I will never, never use it out of choice :3 In all honesty I only use VB now for small applications or applications where I am the only developer or can trust the devs I'm working with. I really enjoy implicit conversion and my coding style and way of thinking prevent the horrors that could otherwise result from it. Don't get me wrong, I've raged aplenty over the years but I'm past that now so its no longer and issue. Nowadays I'm normally doing PHP dev so it doesn't matter anymore ;3 I will say though that if my C++ skills were better I would use that and only that - C++ is the epitome of sheer awesomeness (barring the fact that it's old and hasn't got a lot of the fancy new stuff). This post of mine is rather pointless once all is said and done but i like speaking my mind and if you've read this far it wasn't a total waste ;) PS: C# is cool and I wish the VS environment would be enhanced and improved so that parsing and the display of parsing results in the text editor would not be so miserably slow. One thing VB beats C# at! ;)
It's great you speak your mind, so yes I've read it all. ;) I too find C++ the almighty cool, but it's much harder to work with. I've been there, but need a lot of practice to go back there, and I have bought a few books to leverage my skills in C++ for when I have time to go for it. Anyways, all in all, I have a big rant on VB and don't mind the slowness in the editor :-D
