Did Julian Assange Rape These 2 Women
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Read a fairly full account of the charges here. Do you think Julian Assange raped these 2 women? I personally think he may have violated their trust (unless they're lying, in which case they violated his), but I wouldn't go so far as to call what he supposedly did rape. I don't think I read anywhere in there that either of them said "no" (though the accusation of him having sex with one of the girls while she was asleep may change that somewhat). And one more queston. Do any of you know of a similar case we could compare this to?
It seems unlikely that we will ever find out. The desire to see Wikileaks and Assange silenced is so important that any validity to these accusations is suspect. It's quite possible that Sweden will chose to allow the US to extridite extradite without trying the charges against him.
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It seems unlikely that we will ever find out. The desire to see Wikileaks and Assange silenced is so important that any validity to these accusations is suspect. It's quite possible that Sweden will chose to allow the US to extridite extradite without trying the charges against him.
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If the US had a case to extradite with they would do so now. Do the UK and US not have extradition treaties? Can't see Sweden being more of a pushover than the UK. Just the opposite.
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4 people voted me a 1 because they disagreed with the idea that women should be respected, even if they claim to be raped by a hero of the progressives. But not one of those 4 had the guts to say anything. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Either both parties should be anonymous, or both should be public, anything else is wrong.
Sounds fair to me, but that probably means we'll never see it happen.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
Wow. Somebody really doesn't like you. Have a 5 to compensate.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Wow. Somebody really doesn't like you. Have a 5 to compensate.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
Thanks Pete. There are folks who can disagree, even strongly, by voicing their convictions. And then there are the little bunnies who hide behind the voting mechanism. A 1 from them, I would venture to guess, is high praise, like 5 from a grown up; but I appreciate a grownup's 5, all the more.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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And here's why: You think you can read the minds of 4 people you don't know and have never met. Not that knowing them or meeting them would make any difference. I hate to break it to you, but you can't read minds. Not even over the internet.
Majerus wrote:
I hate to break it to you
You'll be relieved to hear that I know that, but actually, most of the time, I was judging their actions. It is cowardly to hide behind 1's for instance. Whatever motives they use to justify their actions really is of very little interest to me. You're correct, I believe, when it comes to Trollslayer. But then again, in the years I have been around here, I have seen enough of her posts, and read enough of her blog, to have a pretty good grasp of her political persuasion. The reason I didn't turn voting on in Soap Box 1.0 is that I have found consistently that it cheapens debate, and allows the folks who cannot defend their convictions to think that they are the equals of those who, like you, can and do speak up. So, I hate to break it to you, but you can't read minds, either. ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Majerus wrote:
I hate to break it to you
You'll be relieved to hear that I know that, but actually, most of the time, I was judging their actions. It is cowardly to hide behind 1's for instance. Whatever motives they use to justify their actions really is of very little interest to me. You're correct, I believe, when it comes to Trollslayer. But then again, in the years I have been around here, I have seen enough of her posts, and read enough of her blog, to have a pretty good grasp of her political persuasion. The reason I didn't turn voting on in Soap Box 1.0 is that I have found consistently that it cheapens debate, and allows the folks who cannot defend their convictions to think that they are the equals of those who, like you, can and do speak up. So, I hate to break it to you, but you can't read minds, either. ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Thanks Pete. There are folks who can disagree, even strongly, by voicing their convictions. And then there are the little bunnies who hide behind the voting mechanism. A 1 from them, I would venture to guess, is high praise, like 5 from a grown up; but I appreciate a grownup's 5, all the more.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
No probs. Glad to help.
I'm not a stalker, I just know things. Oh by the way, you're out of milk.
Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads
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Oakman wrote:
So, I hate to break it to you, but you can't read minds, either.
Unlike yourself, I haven't been pretending I could.
Majerus wrote:
Unlike yourself, I haven't been pretending I could.
How pray tell do you know I have been pretending to read minds? Did you, perhaps, tread my mind? Truly, I expected better from you.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Majerus wrote:
Unlike yourself, I haven't been pretending I could.
How pray tell do you know I have been pretending to read minds? Did you, perhaps, tread my mind? Truly, I expected better from you.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
Oakman wrote:
Truly, I expected better from you.
C'mon... Now really... I had to look at this guys posting history to verify, but I'm convinced that you are being far, far too generous by expecting better from him.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Majerus wrote:
Unlike yourself, I haven't been pretending I could.
How pray tell do you know I have been pretending to read minds? Did you, perhaps, tread my mind? Truly, I expected better from you.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Oakman wrote:
Truly, I expected better from you.
C'mon... Now really... I had to look at this guys posting history to verify, but I'm convinced that you are being far, far too generous by expecting better from him.
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
Marcus Kramer wrote:
I had to look at this guys posting history to verify, but I'm convinced that you are being far, far too generous by expecting better from him.
ROFL. Ninety percent of my posts are unavailable to you since they are in a private forum. You are a fraud I am an idiot. Occasionally a paranoid idiot. Marcus, my sincere apologies for totally misunderstanding you. Mea Culpa, mea Culpa, mea maxima culpa!
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
modified on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:13 PM
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I expected nothing better from you and was not disappointed. In fact, I expected this exact response. I've had enough of this noise.
Majerus wrote:
I expected nothing better from you and was not disappointed. In fact, I expected this exact response.
Wow, you must be a superb mind-reader! But I balanced the 1 someone gave you with a 5. I never vote 1's and you at least have the balls to speak up.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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Marcus Kramer wrote:
I had to look at this guys posting history to verify, but I'm convinced that you are being far, far too generous by expecting better from him.
ROFL. Ninety percent of my posts are unavailable to you since they are in a private forum. You are a fraud I am an idiot. Occasionally a paranoid idiot. Marcus, my sincere apologies for totally misunderstanding you. Mea Culpa, mea Culpa, mea maxima culpa!
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
modified on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:13 PM
I think an explanation is in order for your statement, don't you???
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
I believe the idea of not keeping the mans name from the press is that it allows any other victims to realise that he has been caught and encorages them to come forward.
I thought that, at least in the U.S. of A, a man was presumed innocent until proven guilty. You seem to be saying that the law has become that the accusation of rape (at least by a prosecutor) is tantamount to a finding of guilty - reminds me of the Red Queen: "Sentence first, then the trial!" (I am not saying you're wrong, by the way.)
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:
oh and the "women" movements do not feel that a man should be treated equal to a women
Noticed that, have you? Amazing how often the concept of an equal playing field quickly becomes "let's give the advantage to the other side!"
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
innocent untill proven guilty applies to countries that have thier laws based on the English, europe however base them on Germanic/Napolionic, this would mean adversarial where once you enter the court room you are not guilty or innocent it is upto each side to argue the case and the judge/jury decides which they believe(like the look of, feel sorry for etc etc) so the idea that he is innocent untill proven guilty is wrong as he choose a country that doesnt work that way.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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innocent untill proven guilty applies to countries that have thier laws based on the English, europe however base them on Germanic/Napolionic, this would mean adversarial where once you enter the court room you are not guilty or innocent it is upto each side to argue the case and the judge/jury decides which they believe(like the look of, feel sorry for etc etc) so the idea that he is innocent untill proven guilty is wrong as he choose a country that doesnt work that way.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
I wonder if Europe will ever see the light? ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
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I think an explanation is in order for your statement, don't you???
I wasn't, now I am, then I won't be anymore.
I founded Soap Box One as a place where people could have civil discourse - or semi-civil discourse, at least, and where trolls would be denied access. Had you actually looked up my posts, you would have discovered that you were denied access to them since entrance to SB1 is not permitted without approval. Had you even accessed my profile, you would have discovered I was the moderator of SB1 and not needed to ask this question. Your claim of looking at my posting record is an out-and-out lie, and you, sir, are a fraud. I am an idiot. Occasionally a paranoid idiot. Marcus, my sincere apologies for totally misunderstanding you. Mea Culpa, mea Culpa, mea maxima culpa!
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
modified on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:13 PM
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I wonder if Europe will ever see the light? ;)
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
hey Napolean was a friend of your lot not ours, you adopted the drive on the wrong side so it highly possible that you may have adopted the legal system as well
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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I founded Soap Box One as a place where people could have civil discourse - or semi-civil discourse, at least, and where trolls would be denied access. Had you actually looked up my posts, you would have discovered that you were denied access to them since entrance to SB1 is not permitted without approval. Had you even accessed my profile, you would have discovered I was the moderator of SB1 and not needed to ask this question. Your claim of looking at my posting record is an out-and-out lie, and you, sir, are a fraud. I am an idiot. Occasionally a paranoid idiot. Marcus, my sincere apologies for totally misunderstanding you. Mea Culpa, mea Culpa, mea maxima culpa!
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth. I have observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." ~ Benj Franklin
modified on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 1:13 PM
Am I missing something here? from the way I read these posts he seems to be refering to the other guys previous posts not yours. and that you were wrong to expect better from him. But then again I am full of cold and wanting to go home so it is possible I have it wrong
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.