Thanks, Red Gate
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I did read the article, where do you think I got the quote from?
peterchen wrote:
What do you expect them to do
To keep their promises. They didn't have to keep developing the tool. They could have kept the tool static and the new features could have been made as a pay tool.
peterchen wrote:
"time bomb" forcing you to update
The time bomb was there to force you to update so Lutz would only have to support one version. It's Red Gate's spin to say it was put in as an option to sell the tool one day.
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I understand your anger at losing a valueable tool, and I understand that $35 have different weight in different places. Still, it would be healthy to accept that when the free lunch is over, you should rather remember the good times had than sit moping. Imagine there would never have been a Reflector to begin with. From the Red Gate announcement in 2008: Our commitment is to maintain an amazing free tool (source[^]) Now, I know that's not all that's been said, and you can interpret it in different ways, but there's no promise of Reflector remaining free for all time, and I doubt Red Gate would have made such a statement officially. The time bomb: My point is that Reflector never was "perpetually yours" to begin with. Besides, if you want to maintain only one version, you just do, there's no need for a time bomb. Lutz never opted to make reflector open source, he got paid by Red Gate ( they flew out a guy to meet Lutz to close the deal[^], so I guess it wasn't just peanuts). Lutz deserves what he got (the outcry of the .NET community is proof enough for me), and Red Gate deserves their moneys for maintaining Reflector for over two years. $35 is an incredible fair price for a developer tool.
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
On the bright side the original author has got some money for his effort.
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
You know, I find that annoying, but then I found it annoying that the once a year I need it, I'd always find it had expired. But, $95 IS small change for any working developer outside India, surely, and Red Gate clearly did not buy it to just keep giving it away. Don't blame Red Gate for paying for it and expecting a return, blame the guy who sold it, he must have known this would be the result.
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Roberto Collina wrote:
From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$
Oh, horror! That's almost a tank of gas in the US and half a tank in Europe! How on Earth are we going to afford it?
Have no idea why you was one voted, it probably has something to do with the Middle East crises and the increasing oil prices, compensating.
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Who couldn't see that coming a mile off. I read the e-mail about 20 mins ago, and I'm still p*ssed off, I wouldn't be if this hadn't started off as open source. To rub salt into the wound, the e-mail I received under "Links to More" has the splendidly named link "Free downloads of .NET Reflector.". I hope Redgate sinks.
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]Keith Barrow wrote:
I wouldn't be if this hadn't started off as open source.
Did it? The "time bomb" was supposedly implemented by Lutz himself, that would be kinda pointless for open source.
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
If Lutz wanted to make certain that .NET Reflector stayed free, then he shouldn't have sold it to Red-Gate (or any company, for that matter). He should have either kept it himself or given it to the community. It's obvious to me that by his actions, this was inevitable and we should all be thankful that we had it, for free, as long as we did.
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For that matter, as an individual user; how hard would it be to reflect Reflector and remove the timebomb from the current free version?
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5 :-D
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I see you got home OK. How was the flight?
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I see you got home OK
Just in time for the riots :-) Flight was OK, but 20 min late at each leg. The on-board film was awful, some French nonsense called "Little White Lies/ Les petits mouchoirs". The characters were all such self-obsessed w***ers I wanted to beat each one of them to death with their own smugness, to make it worse the film was long. The wine was pretty decent though, so swings and roundabouts with Air France. I'll get in touch soon, pity we failed to meet up.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I see you got home OK
Just in time for the riots :-) Flight was OK, but 20 min late at each leg. The on-board film was awful, some French nonsense called "Little White Lies/ Les petits mouchoirs". The characters were all such self-obsessed w***ers I wanted to beat each one of them to death with their own smugness, to make it worse the film was long. The wine was pretty decent though, so swings and roundabouts with Air France. I'll get in touch soon, pity we failed to meet up.
Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
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A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]I enjoyed our chat though. How was the lakes?
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ZDNet article[^] Quoting: [Ed] What about all the people using the free version now. Won’t they just continue to use that? [Greg] This is a common misunderstanding about .NET Reflector and it is something we have taken a lot of flack for in the two and a half years we have owned the tool. .NET Reflector actually has always had a 6 month expiration date built in to each version. Every 6 months or so you need to update to the next version of the software. A lot of people think Red Gate built that expiration model into Reflector but actually it is the way Lutz had run things for the previous 8 years. Forced update; as for bypassing it, it would be oh so bad. For them.
That's cute.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Is it possible to stick with the free version or does it still force you to "upgrade" at startup? And is there any way to bypass the update?
I was able to stop latest pre-RedGate version 5.1.6.0 to update itself with a "dirty" hack circa 2009. :) "C:\Program Files (x86)\Nirsoft\RunAsDate\RunAsDate.exe" /movetime 11\08\2009 16:21:42 "C:\Program Files (x86)\RedGate\.NET Reflector\Reflector.exe" Just create a shortcut with command line like above and forget about updates. P.S. You willl need NirSoft's RunAsDate[^].
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My last check, Reflector is obfuscated.
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
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Reflector, our beloved Reflector, will never be free again. From version 7 on, you'll have to dish out 35$. I don't know if it's a repost; search didn't produce results. Feels wrong. X|
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They might not have got the halo effect they were hoping for with the free version; but they have gotten a forked tail, pitchfork, and horns effect by pulling the plug on it. There is exactly zero chance I will ever lobby for buying a redgate product in the future; and a 100% chance I will lobby against efforts by any co-workers to do so.
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That's dumb. $35 is cheap.
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I was able to stop latest pre-RedGate version 5.1.6.0 to update itself with a "dirty" hack circa 2009. :) "C:\Program Files (x86)\Nirsoft\RunAsDate\RunAsDate.exe" /movetime 11\08\2009 16:21:42 "C:\Program Files (x86)\RedGate\.NET Reflector\Reflector.exe" Just create a shortcut with command line like above and forget about updates. P.S. You willl need NirSoft's RunAsDate[^].
Access denied. Reason: Hacking, Spyware/Malware Sources, Software Downloads PS normal download sites like cnet/tucows don't get blocked for the 3rd reason, I think I've only seen it in combination with other banned things...
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That's dumb. $35 is cheap.
I'm not a player, I just code a lot! Alex Dresko
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Why is it wrong? I think it's well worth that money. It's their software and they have the right to have you pay for a license. So, I repeat, Thanks Redgate, for allowing to use Reflector so long for free!
I don't have a problem with them charging for the new version, but having the existing version expire and delete itself is totally unacceptable. Imagine if Microsoft tried to do this. How would you feel if they announced new versions of SQL Express and Visual Studio Express which would cost $35, and hidden in the FAQ about the new release, they casually threw in the fact that all existing installations of previous versions would expire and remove themselves from your system? If they were stupid enough to do that, I think the negative publicity would practically destroy their developer tools division. Thanks to Lutz Roeder for creating such a great tool; no thanks to RedGate for destroying it. Here's hoping JetBrains are serious about this: http://blogs.jetbrains.com/dotnet/2011/02/reflections-on-recent-news/[^]
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I could. I most certainly could. But I have a feeling that the next time you need to do something that only Reflector can do, you'll cough up the $35 yourself. Personally, I'm going to get the $95 pro version since I've got to buy a license anyway.
I'm not a player, I just code a lot! Alex Dresko
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You know, I find that annoying, but then I found it annoying that the once a year I need it, I'd always find it had expired. But, $95 IS small change for any working developer outside India, surely, and Red Gate clearly did not buy it to just keep giving it away. Don't blame Red Gate for paying for it and expecting a return, blame the guy who sold it, he must have known this would be the result.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
It's not the cost of the new version that's the problem; it's the fact that all existing copies will expire and start demanding money that's causing the most upset.
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