What we are and what is this universe?
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Megan Forbes wrote: are prepared to have this limitation in their minds, instead of exploring the possibil there is nothing more limiting than religion. Lets take the 10 commandments the main basis for 3 of the worlds main religions - 8 of them contain 'shalt not' not 'shall'. Pretty negative don't you think? Relgions oppose change - why? Well quite sensibly because change is dangerous especially to early mankind. Religion was around before we had laws and a proper health service - and looking at the major religions and their preachings these are what we see in order to keep order among the people. As we have become more civilised (I still don't think we are there yet) we have replaced these with laws. Lets take eating pork - why is this not allowed in Judaism and Muslim and yet is allowed in Christianity. Think climate and tape worms - tape worms aren't as much a problem in the colder climes due to the colder weather and the technique of salting/curing. This is where religion imposed a rule (law) for the health of the population (and a goood thing too) but this law broke down when the northern heathens were converted since they new how to prepare pork so it was healthier. ...
Stupidity dies. The end of future offspring. Evolution wins. - A Darwin Awards Haiku
Shaun Wilde wrote: there is nothing more limiting than religion. Lets take the 10 commandments the main basis for 3 of the worlds main religions - 8 of them contain 'shalt not' not 'shall'. Pretty negative don't you think? Relgions oppose change - why? Well quite sensibly because change is dangerous especially to early mankind. Wow 10 laws!!! Now thats what I call limiting! Shaun Wilde wrote: As we have become more civilised (I still don't think we are there yet) we have replaced these with laws. There is a big difference between the laws of man and the laws of God. What authority does man have to make law except the authority God has given him?
Jason Henderson
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Luther Weeks wrote: If there is a god, and he lets this happen, he can keep heaven to himself. Who are you to tell God how to run the universe? It is precisely this arrogance, this rejection of God which you have so eloquently shown us, that has caused all of our grief in the first place. Your dead mother and father no longer have a choice whether they want to make it to heaven or not, but you do. Personally, I would rather believe in God and end up being wrong than the other way around.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Personally, I would rather believe in God and end up being wrong than the other way around. Also a real good point! :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages Religion without Science is blind, Science without Religion is lame -Albert Einstein
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ProffK wrote: We have no purpose other than what we assign ourselves. Damn! It took me a whole post to say what you said in one line :-D
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Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
Paul Watson wrote: We have no purpose other than what we assign ourselves. That's just pure arrogance Paul. Don't fall for that crap.
Jason Henderson
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well i just heard :-). Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? why we are in this world? @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? why we are in this world? We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us.
Jason Henderson
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok tell me what you think what is our end? where we will eventually go? are we totally destroyed after our deaths? Well, given the limitations of our own knowledge, we do not have any definitive answer. Then there are a group of people throughout the history of mankind who have answered these questions on behalf of the creator. They are called the messengers or prophets, namely Adam, Noah, Lot, Joseph, Jonah, David, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. We have the freedom to accept (believe) or reject them; it is our choice.
Do followers of Mohammed believe in Jesus? If so, what do they believe about him?
Jason Henderson
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This sounds more like Soapbox material but... Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? There is no purpose. why we are in this world? It was all an accident. Pure random luck. If you keep looking for a purpose in life, then you are wasting your time. Get out and enjoy yourself, it's the only chance you'll get. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
Michael P Butler wrote: random luck. I thought luck in itself contains some amount of randomness, nice phrase. Cheers Kannan
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Aisha Ikram wrote: it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell It was thought that people would suffocate on trains if they went faster then 20mph, it was thought that the world was flat. It was proved that bumblebees couldn't fly eventhough we know they do (and we now know how they do it). Many things are proved everyday which are later disproved by more upto date methods. Just because we cannot do something now does not mean that we cannot do it. It would be a shame to think that the human race is at the pinnacle of its success and knowledge. Tell me if we manage to find a way to travel faster then light will we go backwards in time or will we just get there faster?
Stupidity dies. The end of future offspring. Evolution wins. - A Darwin Awards Haiku
Shaun Wilde wrote: Tell me if we manage to find a way to travel faster then light will we go backwards in time or will we just get there faster? Man, we could spend a few :beer:'s over this one. Mixing a little Einstein with some Nitron you get two types of 'time'. Einstein boasts "relative time" and his theory of relativity. I like to consider an "Absolute time". That is, time of the purest form, outside of all relative frames of refrence and defined purley by the statement: 'Time is a measure, defined by human perception, as the continuum between two events.' Thus in "absolute time", travel at the speed of light will only get you there faster, although your relative time (with respect to another frame of reference) may have seemed to pass more slowly (or quickly depending on the other's frame of reference)... Hmm... too early :rolleyes: - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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Do followers of Mohammed believe in Jesus? If so, what do they believe about him?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Do followers of Mohammed believe in Jesus? If so, what do they believe about him? Muslims consider Jesus as.. * a true messenger of God; * prophet of God; * miracle birth without human intervention; * he was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible; * he is with God now and most important; * he will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers against the 'Antichrist.' However Muslims do not consider him as a son of God.
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Jason Henderson wrote: Do followers of Mohammed believe in Jesus? If so, what do they believe about him? Muslims consider Jesus as.. * a true messenger of God; * prophet of God; * miracle birth without human intervention; * he was the 'Christ' or Messiah as predicted in the Bible; * he is with God now and most important; * he will be coming back in the Last Days to lead the believers against the 'Antichrist.' However Muslims do not consider him as a son of God.
That's interesting. Fazlul Kabir wrote: However Muslims do not consider him as a son of God. He called himself the Son of God, so how can Muslims believe otherwise?
Jason Henderson
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That's interesting. Fazlul Kabir wrote: However Muslims do not consider him as a son of God. He called himself the Son of God, so how can Muslims believe otherwise?
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *My reference was from the Qur'an, the book revealed to prophet Muhammed through angel Gabriel: "O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name is Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, High honored in this world and the next, of those near stationed to God." (21):19-29
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Stan, its been done a few times up to the level of self replicating amino acids (several years ago) and beyond. Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
I'm well aware of that. What I'm not aware of is a study which went so far as to conclude that anything remotely approximating "life" had been refined. Building blocks of life, yes. Life itself, no. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Luther Weeks wrote: If there is a god, and he lets this happen, he can keep heaven to himself. Who are you to tell God how to run the universe? It is precisely this arrogance, this rejection of God which you have so eloquently shown us, that has caused all of our grief in the first place. Your dead mother and father no longer have a choice whether they want to make it to heaven or not, but you do. Personally, I would rather believe in God and end up being wrong than the other way around.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: Personally, I would rather believe in God and end up being wrong than the other way around. Yeah, so we should believe in God just in case all the religious kooks are right and when we die our souls will be handed to the devil for all the sins we've committed. :rolleyes: See, it makes more sense to me that if there is a God waiting to finally show us his presense when we die, he will take our souls to a place of peace and eternal bliss, regardless of what we did when we were alive. However, I'm not convinced of this either. I think more that our lives are as relevant as that of the blade of grass on a lawn, or the bacteria crawling on my hands as I type, or the birds on the trees, or my sister's cat. We just have a more developed brain, that's all. I'd like to think that our souls will move on to a better place, but it doesn't make sense when I think about all the other living on this planet. Will they all go to a better place too? Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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My reference was from the Qur'an, the book revealed to prophet Muhammed through angel Gabriel: "O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name is Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, High honored in this world and the next, of those near stationed to God." (21):19-29
I did a search on Son of God in the New Testament of the Bible only. Here are the results if you are interested: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=Son+of+God&SearchType=AND&version=NIV&restrict=New_Testament&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0&x=4&y=14 Demons proclaimed him the Son of God, God proclaimed him his son when he was baptized. If Muslims believe Jesus was sent by God then why would he be lying by calling himself God's Son (John 11:4)? Check out http://answering-islam.org/[^] and let me know what you think of it. \ I don't know much about the Qur'an or Mohammed, but I'd like to read more about them. Its up to each individual to figure out what he/she believes and we need ask God to open our hearts to the truth. I sincerely hope you find it. :)
Jason Henderson
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? why we are in this world? We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us. I see, so God has an inferiority complex with, perhaps other Gods, and needs to prove to them that he's a great God. So he creates billions of humans, puts them in a planet full of plants and animals and tells a few of them to tell the rest to workship him or they will go to a very bad place when they die. Makes sense. Please oh please, tell us more about God when you get a chance, since you seem to know so much about him. ;P Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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I did a search on Son of God in the New Testament of the Bible only. Here are the results if you are interested: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=Son+of+God&SearchType=AND&version=NIV&restrict=New_Testament&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0&x=4&y=14 Demons proclaimed him the Son of God, God proclaimed him his son when he was baptized. If Muslims believe Jesus was sent by God then why would he be lying by calling himself God's Son (John 11:4)? Check out http://answering-islam.org/[^] and let me know what you think of it. \ I don't know much about the Qur'an or Mohammed, but I'd like to read more about them. Its up to each individual to figure out what he/she believes and we need ask God to open our hearts to the truth. I sincerely hope you find it. :)
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: I sincerely hope you find it. Don't you even consider it might be to you to find it ? :confused:
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Jason Henderson wrote: We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us. I see, so God has an inferiority complex with, perhaps other Gods, and needs to prove to them that he's a great God. So he creates billions of humans, puts them in a planet full of plants and animals and tells a few of them to tell the rest to workship him or they will go to a very bad place when they die. Makes sense. Please oh please, tell us more about God when you get a chance, since you seem to know so much about him. ;P Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
Alvaro Mendez wrote: Please oh please, tell us more about God when you get a chance, since you seem to know so much about him. :rolleyes:
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: I sincerely hope you find it. Don't you even consider it might be to you to find it ? :confused:
Ohé Partisans, Ouvriers et Paysans C'est l'alarme! Le Chant des Partisans
I wrote: I don't know much about the Qur'an or Mohammed, but I'd like to read more about them. Its up to each individual to figure out what he/she believes and we need ask God to open our hearts to the truth. I sincerely hope you find it. I don't claim to know everything, but I do hope he finds the truth and I hope you do also.
Jason Henderson
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Shaun Wilde wrote: 8 of them contain 'shalt not' not 'shall'. Pretty negative don't you think? Any current translation of the 10 commandments is a translation of a translation of an obsolete language and should not be taken literally. Ironically, I feel the same about the bible. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Mike Mullikin wrote: a translation of a translation of an obsolete language and should not be taken literally It's so true.... so very very true. You can quote the bible all you want, but at the end of the day, you're quoting something that was translated. And there's always something lost in the translation. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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I'm well aware of that. What I'm not aware of is a study which went so far as to conclude that anything remotely approximating "life" had been refined. Building blocks of life, yes. Life itself, no. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
But if they had been able to do it, then people would have cried that "they were playing god", eh? And all kinds of craziness would have erupted. Stan Shannon wrote: Building blocks of life, yes. Life itself, no baby steps... baby steps. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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This sounds more like Soapbox material but... Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? There is no purpose. why we are in this world? It was all an accident. Pure random luck. If you keep looking for a purpose in life, then you are wasting your time. Get out and enjoy yourself, it's the only chance you'll get. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen