What we are and what is this universe?
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My reference was from the Qur'an, the book revealed to prophet Muhammed through angel Gabriel: "O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him, his name is Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, High honored in this world and the next, of those near stationed to God." (21):19-29
I did a search on Son of God in the New Testament of the Bible only. Here are the results if you are interested: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=Son+of+God&SearchType=AND&version=NIV&restrict=New_Testament&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0&x=4&y=14 Demons proclaimed him the Son of God, God proclaimed him his son when he was baptized. If Muslims believe Jesus was sent by God then why would he be lying by calling himself God's Son (John 11:4)? Check out http://answering-islam.org/[^] and let me know what you think of it. \ I don't know much about the Qur'an or Mohammed, but I'd like to read more about them. Its up to each individual to figure out what he/she believes and we need ask God to open our hearts to the truth. I sincerely hope you find it. :)
Jason Henderson
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? why we are in this world? We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us. I see, so God has an inferiority complex with, perhaps other Gods, and needs to prove to them that he's a great God. So he creates billions of humans, puts them in a planet full of plants and animals and tells a few of them to tell the rest to workship him or they will go to a very bad place when they die. Makes sense. Please oh please, tell us more about God when you get a chance, since you seem to know so much about him. ;P Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
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I did a search on Son of God in the New Testament of the Bible only. Here are the results if you are interested: http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?search=Son+of+God&SearchType=AND&version=NIV&restrict=New_Testament&StartRestrict=&EndRestrict=&rpp=25&language=english&searchpage=0&x=4&y=14 Demons proclaimed him the Son of God, God proclaimed him his son when he was baptized. If Muslims believe Jesus was sent by God then why would he be lying by calling himself God's Son (John 11:4)? Check out http://answering-islam.org/[^] and let me know what you think of it. \ I don't know much about the Qur'an or Mohammed, but I'd like to read more about them. Its up to each individual to figure out what he/she believes and we need ask God to open our hearts to the truth. I sincerely hope you find it. :)
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: I sincerely hope you find it. Don't you even consider it might be to you to find it ? :confused:
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Jason Henderson wrote: We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us. I see, so God has an inferiority complex with, perhaps other Gods, and needs to prove to them that he's a great God. So he creates billions of humans, puts them in a planet full of plants and animals and tells a few of them to tell the rest to workship him or they will go to a very bad place when they die. Makes sense. Please oh please, tell us more about God when you get a chance, since you seem to know so much about him. ;P Regards, Alvaro
Well done is better than well said. -- Benjamin Franklin (I actually prefer medium-well.)
Alvaro Mendez wrote: Please oh please, tell us more about God when you get a chance, since you seem to know so much about him. :rolleyes:
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: I sincerely hope you find it. Don't you even consider it might be to you to find it ? :confused:
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I wrote: I don't know much about the Qur'an or Mohammed, but I'd like to read more about them. Its up to each individual to figure out what he/she believes and we need ask God to open our hearts to the truth. I sincerely hope you find it. I don't claim to know everything, but I do hope he finds the truth and I hope you do also.
Jason Henderson
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Shaun Wilde wrote: 8 of them contain 'shalt not' not 'shall'. Pretty negative don't you think? Any current translation of the 10 commandments is a translation of a translation of an obsolete language and should not be taken literally. Ironically, I feel the same about the bible. Mike Mullikin :beer:
Well, I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation. - David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Mike Mullikin wrote: a translation of a translation of an obsolete language and should not be taken literally It's so true.... so very very true. You can quote the bible all you want, but at the end of the day, you're quoting something that was translated. And there's always something lost in the translation. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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I'm well aware of that. What I'm not aware of is a study which went so far as to conclude that anything remotely approximating "life" had been refined. Building blocks of life, yes. Life itself, no. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
But if they had been able to do it, then people would have cried that "they were playing god", eh? And all kinds of craziness would have erupted. Stan Shannon wrote: Building blocks of life, yes. Life itself, no baby steps... baby steps. That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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This sounds more like Soapbox material but... Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? There is no purpose. why we are in this world? It was all an accident. Pure random luck. If you keep looking for a purpose in life, then you are wasting your time. Get out and enjoy yourself, it's the only chance you'll get. Michael Fat bottomed girls You make the rockin' world go round -- Queen
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok what you think what is the purpose of human beings? why we are in this world? We are in this world to glorify God. We are his representatives here on Earth until he sees fit to evict us.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *A little arrogance mixed in there perhaps? (sort of a reply to your earlier comment to PaulW about he shouldn't be arrogant) :-D That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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I wrote: I don't know much about the Qur'an or Mohammed, but I'd like to read more about them. Its up to each individual to figure out what he/she believes and we need ask God to open our hearts to the truth. I sincerely hope you find it. I don't claim to know everything, but I do hope he finds the truth and I hope you do also.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: I don't claim to know everything, but I do hope he finds the truth and I hope you do also. I'n not sure to totally understand, do you pretend being in the truth when we're not ? :confused:
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Aisha Ikram wrote: Ok tell me what you think what is our end? where we will eventually go? are we totally destroyed after our deaths? Well, given the limitations of our own knowledge, we do not have any definitive answer. Then there are a group of people throughout the history of mankind who have answered these questions on behalf of the creator. They are called the messengers or prophets, namely Adam, Noah, Lot, Joseph, Jonah, David, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammed. We have the freedom to accept (believe) or reject them; it is our choice.
Fazlul Kabir wrote: We have the freedom to accept (believe) or reject them; it is our choice. now.... if only people would realize that and stop trying to convert me! Just because they believe something doesn't mean that I'm wrong in my belief. It's my choice to not believe everything stated by those people (if they even existed,...ooooh..them's fighting words!). That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
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A little arrogance mixed in there perhaps? (sort of a reply to your earlier comment to PaulW about he shouldn't be arrogant) :-D That's why I ramble so much. If you're short and quotable, there's a much greater danger of ending up in a sig. [Christopher Duncan on how to prevent yourself from ending up in a sig]
It is not arrogant in the least bit. To glorify God is to obey him. How is this arrogant?
Jason Henderson
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Paul Watson wrote: We have no purpose other than what we assign ourselves. That's just pure arrogance Paul. Don't fall for that crap.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: That's just pure arrogance Paul. Don't fall for that crap. I am not "falling" for it Jason, I believe it and have thought about it. I create my own purpose, there is no God doing it for me. I think believing some universe creating diety spares time to help me through life is even more arrogant. Naturally you may believe what you will though.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Jason Henderson wrote: I don't claim to know everything, but I do hope he finds the truth and I hope you do also. I'n not sure to totally understand, do you pretend being in the truth when we're not ? :confused:
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KaЯl wrote: do you pretend being in the truth when we're not No. I want you to know the truth, as I also want to know the truth.
Jason Henderson
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Jason Henderson wrote: That's just pure arrogance Paul. Don't fall for that crap. I am not "falling" for it Jason, I believe it and have thought about it. I create my own purpose, there is no God doing it for me. I think believing some universe creating diety spares time to help me through life is even more arrogant. Naturally you may believe what you will though.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
To each his own.
Jason Henderson
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Paul Watson wrote: "I am not a follower of any organised/mass religion. I am still too young to be able to give you a standard answer to this. Many things I am still thinking about, many things I have yet to even start thinking about. I have much life left to live before I can claim any religion or belief system as my own." So you will choose your own religion with time, one which you think is true and you are not bound to choose any. Ok tell me what you think what is our end? where we will eventually go? are we totally destroyed after our deaths? Paul Watson wrote: Right now I believe in the universe and that that is all there is, which in itself is a lot. No being which stands outside of the universe and looks down on us. ok then what you think we have came from? and how did it happen. you see science says, livings things are created from living things and life is not possible out of life-less entities. for example, i you have ever studied biology, it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell. I wonder, if this is true and has been proven, from where did this very first living cell come from on earth which created other living things. @ish@ check my latest article in .NET section What is Common Language Runtime(CLR)?
Aisha Ikram wrote: you see science says, livings things are created from living things and life is not possible out of life-less entities. for example, i you have ever studied biology, it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell Where was this proven and by whom ? Perhaps science was not one of you better subjects or you have a religious bias toward certain aspects of it. I fully expect that "life" will be created by man in the next decade in the laboratory. That ought to put a dimple in the religious chin for sure. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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To each his own.
Jason Henderson
start page ; articles henderson is coming henderson is an opponent's worst nightmare * googlism *Jason Henderson wrote: To each his own. Indeed :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChristopher Duncan wrote: Which explains why when Santa asked, "And what do you want for Christmas, little boy?" I said, "A life." (Accesories sold separately)
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Aisha Ikram wrote: it was proved that a non-living cell can't create a living cell, only a living cell can produce another living cell It was thought that people would suffocate on trains if they went faster then 20mph, it was thought that the world was flat. It was proved that bumblebees couldn't fly eventhough we know they do (and we now know how they do it). Many things are proved everyday which are later disproved by more upto date methods. Just because we cannot do something now does not mean that we cannot do it. It would be a shame to think that the human race is at the pinnacle of its success and knowledge. Tell me if we manage to find a way to travel faster then light will we go backwards in time or will we just get there faster?
Stupidity dies. The end of future offspring. Evolution wins. - A Darwin Awards Haiku
Shaun Wilde wrote: Tell me if we manage to find a way to travel faster then light will we go backwards in time or will we just get there faster? If you manage to travel faster than light ( which I do believe to be impossible ) then time will be of little relevance to you because you will be outside of space/time. Since information cannot be propagated faster than lightspeed you will, for all practical purposes, cease to exist in terms of the current universe. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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Christian Graus wrote: Seriously, how can that be, when natural law is for things to atrophy, not to go from chaos to order The laws of thermodynamics (including entropy) are only applicable to closed systems. Earth is not a closed system. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: The laws of thermodynamics (including entropy) are only applicable to closed systems. Earth is not a closed system. And it applies only to systems where energy is static. Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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Brian Azzopardi wrote: I know that in your post you were criticing my position but I couldnt help using your own arguments against you. I hope you don't mind Not at all - I love debate :) Brian Azzopardi wrote: why do you percieve the existence of God. You surely cant be certain he/she/it exists? What proof do you have? Having grown up in an area of extreme natural beauty, it has always been easy for me to believe in God, just by looking around me. It also seems to me that humans wouldn't have the desire for a greater being if it were unnatural, and we were purely developed from evolution. Proof. I have only one memory of tangible proof that would satisfy your question. In high school I was in boarding school. Every Tuesday a local church would have members come round and we could miss evening study hall if we wanted and attend their teaching instead. While I did believe in God, I have to admit that getting out of study hall was a big motivator for all of us. One evening they prayed over this younger (14 year old, still growing) boy, that his one leg which was about 2 inches shorter than the other would grow to become the same length. Seems perfectly reasonable - he was still growing, why shouldn't it catch up over the next 4 to 5 years while he grows to adulthood? The only thing was, by the end of the prayer they were both the same length! I wish I had kept my eyes open. Otherwise it seems that proof is all around us, in every beautiful thing we see. Equally we can see evil every day, and don't have to look too far to find it. One thing I always find surprising is that people are more than happy to believe in the evil supernatural, but question the good. Asking me to prove something that we have both agreed is beyond our comprehension is ludicrous. Do I believe? Yes. And I always will. :)
I knew it would end badly when I first met Chris in a Canberra alleyway and he said 'try some - it won't hurt you'..... - Christian Graus on Code Project outages A moment of silence please. A programmer's best friend has passed beyond that great exception in the sky.... - Mark Conger on "The coffee machine has died"
Megan Forbes wrote: It also seems to me that humans wouldn't have the desire for a greater being if it were unnatural, and we were purely developed from evolution. AH !! Humans are different from other animals in that we have a abundance of curiosity and a need to explain and undrestand things around us. It is a trait among the higher primates that reaches its peak in Sapiens. Since there are things that we could not explain by our understanding of how things worked we had to come up with something to satisfy that genetic urge so we invented "GODS". ANd have been stuck with them ever since Richard When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to better world, I am moved to lead a different life. Mark Twain- Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar