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  • R Rick Shaub

    Correct, but conventional flow (the kind they teach in electrical engineering courses) is from positive to negative, which is the direction of the "arrow" in diode and transstor diagrams. Also, to be even more pedantic, "hole" flow is the flow of positive charge carriers, and so is the flow of positive ions in water.

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    Rick Shaub wrote:

    "hole" flow

    I have to fight so hard not to comment on that. I'll content myself with quoting from an email from a young lady who works here (and cannot spell) when commenting on some changes she had been testing; "I like it on the hole".

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    • P PJ Arends

      For those who are electronically inclined: http://www3.telus.net/pja/circuit.png[^] I was wondering if there was a way to replace the three internal relays with something else in order to make the circuit solid state. I know that a normally open relay can be replaced with a transistor, but what about a normally closed one? Is there a component that will break a circuit when power is applied to it? Similar to a transistor but with the opposite effect. Also, do I have my diodes in the correct direction? Does DC power flow from positive to negative or the othe other way around? Thanks


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      Maybe this? http://www.instructables.com/community/Transistor-relay-with-NO-and-NC/[^]

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        Chris Meech wrote:

        diagrammed

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        That is it's transitive verb form. How does that make you unwelled? ;P

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        • P PJ Arends

          For those who are electronically inclined: http://www3.telus.net/pja/circuit.png[^] I was wondering if there was a way to replace the three internal relays with something else in order to make the circuit solid state. I know that a normally open relay can be replaced with a transistor, but what about a normally closed one? Is there a component that will break a circuit when power is applied to it? Similar to a transistor but with the opposite effect. Also, do I have my diodes in the correct direction? Does DC power flow from positive to negative or the othe other way around? Thanks


          You may be right I may be crazy -- Billy Joel -- Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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          FET transistors can replace relays in a dc circuit by properly biasing them. I haven't kept up with current parts, but even 20 years ago they were handling 100A loads. I'm sure they can do better today. The nice thing about FETs is that the gate terminal draws near zero current, so it's easy to set switching thresholds using a simple resistor divider. I can't look too closely at the circuit right now, as my employer actually expects me to work on job related stuff while I'm here, but I'll take another look tonight.

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          • R Rick Shaub

            Correct, but conventional flow (the kind they teach in electrical engineering courses) is from positive to negative, which is the direction of the "arrow" in diode and transstor diagrams. Also, to be even more pedantic, "hole" flow is the flow of positive charge carriers, and so is the flow of positive ions in water.

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            • R Roger Wright

              FET transistors can replace relays in a dc circuit by properly biasing them. I haven't kept up with current parts, but even 20 years ago they were handling 100A loads. I'm sure they can do better today. The nice thing about FETs is that the gate terminal draws near zero current, so it's easy to set switching thresholds using a simple resistor divider. I can't look too closely at the circuit right now, as my employer actually expects me to work on job related stuff while I'm here, but I'll take another look tonight.

              Will Rogers never met me.

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              Its great having a resident electrical engineer...

              :)

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                Clickety[^]

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                I thought you were going to link to this[^] one.

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                • P PJ Arends

                  For those who are electronically inclined: http://www3.telus.net/pja/circuit.png[^] I was wondering if there was a way to replace the three internal relays with something else in order to make the circuit solid state. I know that a normally open relay can be replaced with a transistor, but what about a normally closed one? Is there a component that will break a circuit when power is applied to it? Similar to a transistor but with the opposite effect. Also, do I have my diodes in the correct direction? Does DC power flow from positive to negative or the othe other way around? Thanks


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                  NOT ELECTRONICS ENOUGH!!!

                  "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                  • R Roger Wright

                    FET transistors can replace relays in a dc circuit by properly biasing them. I haven't kept up with current parts, but even 20 years ago they were handling 100A loads. I'm sure they can do better today. The nice thing about FETs is that the gate terminal draws near zero current, so it's easy to set switching thresholds using a simple resistor divider. I can't look too closely at the circuit right now, as my employer actually expects me to work on job related stuff while I'm here, but I'll take another look tonight.

                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                    Roger Wright wrote:

                    my employer actually expects me to work on job related stuff while I'm here

                    Sounds unreasonable to me.

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                    • R Rick Shaub

                      Correct, but conventional flow (the kind they teach in electrical engineering courses) is from positive to negative, which is the direction of the "arrow" in diode and transstor diagrams. Also, to be even more pedantic, "hole" flow is the flow of positive charge carriers, and so is the flow of positive ions in water.

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                      Yes, the flow of something non existant is how it rationalised. Great stuff electricity, everyone uses it, no one knows how the hell it works! :)

                      "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman

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                        Yes, the flow of something non existant is how it rationalised. Great stuff electricity, everyone uses it, no one knows how the hell it works! :)

                        "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman

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                        It makes more sense if you think of holes as being analogous to bubbles. :)

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                        • R Roger Wright

                          FET transistors can replace relays in a dc circuit by properly biasing them. I haven't kept up with current parts, but even 20 years ago they were handling 100A loads. I'm sure they can do better today. The nice thing about FETs is that the gate terminal draws near zero current, so it's easy to set switching thresholds using a simple resistor divider. I can't look too closely at the circuit right now, as my employer actually expects me to work on job related stuff while I'm here, but I'll take another look tonight.

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                          Ravi Bhavnani
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                          I defer to you, o great one, but would you recommend an SCR for high loads instead? Or are those only for AC? /ravi

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                          • R Rick Shaub

                            It makes more sense if you think of holes as being analogous to bubbles. :)

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                            Its amazing what the brain can come up with to convince itself something impossibly illogical is real. :)

                            "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman

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                              Its amazing what the brain can come up with to convince itself something impossibly illogical is real. :)

                              "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip now due to mankind." Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, IPCC "It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you here are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period." Professor Richard Feynman

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                              I thought you weren't going to mention that stuff around here. ;P

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                              • P PJ Arends

                                For those who are electronically inclined: http://www3.telus.net/pja/circuit.png[^] I was wondering if there was a way to replace the three internal relays with something else in order to make the circuit solid state. I know that a normally open relay can be replaced with a transistor, but what about a normally closed one? Is there a component that will break a circuit when power is applied to it? Similar to a transistor but with the opposite effect. Also, do I have my diodes in the correct direction? Does DC power flow from positive to negative or the othe other way around? Thanks


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                                Triacs?

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                                  NOT ELECTRONICS ENOUGH!!!

                                  "Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!" — Hunter S. Thompson

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                                  PJ Arends
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                                  wizardzz wrote:

                                  NOT ELECTRONICS ENOUGH!!!

                                  I am so sorry. Can you recommend something much more complicated that will do the same job?


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                                  • R Roger Wright

                                    FET transistors can replace relays in a dc circuit by properly biasing them. I haven't kept up with current parts, but even 20 years ago they were handling 100A loads. I'm sure they can do better today. The nice thing about FETs is that the gate terminal draws near zero current, so it's easy to set switching thresholds using a simple resistor divider. I can't look too closely at the circuit right now, as my employer actually expects me to work on job related stuff while I'm here, but I'll take another look tonight.

                                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                                    Thanks Roger, I am looking into FET transistors right now. Looks promising, but so far I am not sure how to make them work.

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                                    as my employer actually expects me to work on job related stuff while I'm here

                                    Dang bosses can be so unreasonable some times, sure glad I do not have one (unless you count the wife :~ )

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                                    I'll take another look tonight

                                    Thanks


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                                      wizardzz wrote:

                                      NOT ELECTRONICS ENOUGH!!!

                                      I am so sorry. Can you recommend something much more complicated that will do the same job?


                                      You may be right I may be crazy -- Billy Joel -- Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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                                      1/6 7404

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                                      • R Ravi Bhavnani

                                        I defer to you, o great one, but would you recommend an SCR for high loads instead? Or are those only for AC? /ravi

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                                        Roger Wright
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                                        An SCR relies on a zero-crossing to shut off, so it is best used for ac loads.

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                                        • R Roger Wright

                                          An SCR relies on a zero-crossing to shut off, so it is best used for ac loads.

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                                          Ravi Bhavnani
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                                          Right!  I remember building (not designing) a circuit that used SCRs to control 60W bulbs to flash in time with an audio signal. /ravi

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