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  • W wout de zeeuw

    Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

    Wout

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    Abhinav S
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    wout de zeeuw wrote:

    Silverlight 5

    Give it time. Its still in beta, right?

    The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it.

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    • W wout de zeeuw

      Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

      Wout

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      Lost User
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      No. Going back in time would be 4D :) But it's only logical. Remember your geometry. How many dimensions does a point have?

      "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
      I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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        No. Going back in time would be 4D :) But it's only logical. Remember your geometry. How many dimensions does a point have?

        "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
        I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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        Dalek Dave
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          wout de zeeuw wrote:

          Silverlight 5

          Give it time. Its still in beta, right?

          The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it.

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          wout de zeeuw
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          Well, apparently they left it out on purpose... http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/t/227751.aspx[^]. I'm kinda baffled.

          Wout

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            No. Going back in time would be 4D :) But it's only logical. Remember your geometry. How many dimensions does a point have?

            "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
            I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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            wout de zeeuw
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            In CAD many people draw dashed/dotted lines. So a dot would be a 1x1 pixel thingy, and a line would be a 1 pixel wide thingy.

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            • W wout de zeeuw

              Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

              Wout

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              Pete OHanlon
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              You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

              Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
              VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
              vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
              VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
              vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
              device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                Lost User
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                Uhm, no. In math, a point has exactly zero dimensions. It's infinitely small and not much to draw therefore. What you probably want to do is to set a small (but not not infinitely small) sprite or billboard at some 3D coordinates.

                "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
                I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

                  Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
                  VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
                  vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
                  VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
                  vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
                  device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                  wout de zeeuw
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                  We have made those classes ourselves, this is not problematic. The problematic part is that there's no PointList primitive, just LineList, LineStrip, TriangleList, TriangleStrip.

                  Wout

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                  • W wout de zeeuw

                    In CAD many people draw dashed/dotted lines. So a dot would be a 1x1 pixel thingy, and a line would be a 1 pixel wide thingy.

                    Wout

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    But in 3D, a point consists of 3 dimensions - x/y and z.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                    • L Lost User

                      Uhm, no. In math, a point has exactly zero dimensions. It's infinitely small and not much to draw therefore. What you probably want to do is to set a small (but not not infinitely small) sprite or billboard at some 3D coordinates.

                      "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
                      I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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                      There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        But in 3D, a point consists of 3 dimensions - x/y and z.

                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

                        ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                        • D Dalek Dave

                          There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                          Yes, sure I know a hypercube :)

                          "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
                          I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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                          • W wout de zeeuw

                            We have made those classes ourselves, this is not problematic. The problematic part is that there's no PointList primitive, just LineList, LineStrip, TriangleList, TriangleStrip.

                            Wout

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                            Is it possible to make a line with length of one instead. I don't think anyone can tell the difference.

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                              Is it possible to make a line with length of one instead. I don't think anyone can tell the difference.

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                              wout de zeeuw
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                              You could, but very inconvenient, because the length 1 is in screen space, whilst you normally define all vertices in model space, and then position your camera etc etc. So to do the dots you'd have to mess up the whole standard rendering pipeline.

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                              • W wout de zeeuw

                                Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                                Wout

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                                hairy_hats
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                                You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                                  You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

                                  Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
                                  VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
                                  vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
                                  VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
                                  vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
                                  device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

                                  Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                                  NormDroid
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                                  Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                                  vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush

                                  Just love that comment...

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                                    You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                                    NormDroid
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                                    Or even WebGL so it works in a browser :rolleyes:

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                                      ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                      hairy_hats
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                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      there are a lot more than three dimensions

                                      Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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                                        You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                                        wout de zeeuw
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                                        Our product already does OpenGL. I mentioned on the MSDN forum that OpenGL 1.1 can do points, but this invoked a "I know, OpenGL..., but let's be realistic" reply...

                                        Wout

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                                          My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

                                          ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                          Pete OHanlon
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                                          Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

                                          Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                                          My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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