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  • L Lost User

    No. Going back in time would be 4D :) But it's only logical. Remember your geometry. How many dimensions does a point have?

    "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
    I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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    Dalek Dave
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      wout de zeeuw wrote:

      Silverlight 5

      Give it time. Its still in beta, right?

      The funniest thing about this particular signature is that by the time you realise it doesn't say anything it's too late to stop reading it.

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      wout de zeeuw
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      Well, apparently they left it out on purpose... http://forums.silverlight.net/forums/t/227751.aspx[^]. I'm kinda baffled.

      Wout

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      • L Lost User

        No. Going back in time would be 4D :) But it's only logical. Remember your geometry. How many dimensions does a point have?

        "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
        I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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        wout de zeeuw
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        In CAD many people draw dashed/dotted lines. So a dot would be a 1x1 pixel thingy, and a line would be a 1 pixel wide thingy.

        Wout

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        • W wout de zeeuw

          Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

          Wout

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          Pete OHanlon
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          You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

          Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
          VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
          vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
          VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
          vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
          device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

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          • D Dalek Dave

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            Lost User
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            Uhm, no. In math, a point has exactly zero dimensions. It's infinitely small and not much to draw therefore. What you probably want to do is to set a small (but not not infinitely small) sprite or billboard at some 3D coordinates.

            "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
            I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

              Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
              VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
              vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
              VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
              vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
              device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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              wout de zeeuw
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              We have made those classes ourselves, this is not problematic. The problematic part is that there's no PointList primitive, just LineList, LineStrip, TriangleList, TriangleStrip.

              Wout

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              • W wout de zeeuw

                In CAD many people draw dashed/dotted lines. So a dot would be a 1x1 pixel thingy, and a line would be a 1 pixel wide thingy.

                Wout

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                Pete OHanlon
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                But in 3D, a point consists of 3 dimensions - x/y and z.

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                • L Lost User

                  Uhm, no. In math, a point has exactly zero dimensions. It's infinitely small and not much to draw therefore. What you probably want to do is to set a small (but not not infinitely small) sprite or billboard at some 3D coordinates.

                  "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
                  I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    But in 3D, a point consists of 3 dimensions - x/y and z.

                    Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                    Dalek Dave
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                    My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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                    • D Dalek Dave

                      There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                      ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                      Lost User
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                      Yes, sure I know a hypercube :)

                      "I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011 ---
                      I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011

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                      • W wout de zeeuw

                        We have made those classes ourselves, this is not problematic. The problematic part is that there's no PointList primitive, just LineList, LineStrip, TriangleList, TriangleStrip.

                        Wout

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                        loveangel888
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                        Is it possible to make a line with length of one instead. I don't think anyone can tell the difference.

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                        • L loveangel888

                          Is it possible to make a line with length of one instead. I don't think anyone can tell the difference.

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                          wout de zeeuw
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                          You could, but very inconvenient, because the length 1 is in screen space, whilst you normally define all vertices in model space, and then position your camera etc etc. So to do the dots you'd have to mess up the whole standard rendering pipeline.

                          Wout

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                          • W wout de zeeuw

                            Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                            Wout

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                            hairy_hats
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                            You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                            • P Pete OHanlon

                              You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

                              Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
                              VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
                              vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
                              VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
                              vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
                              device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

                              Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

                              My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys | Mole 2010 - debugging made easier - my favourite utility

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                              NormDroid
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                              Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

                              vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush

                              Just love that comment...

                              Software Kinetics - The home of good software

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                              • H hairy_hats

                                You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                                NormDroid
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                                Or even WebGL so it works in a browser :rolleyes:

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                                • D Dalek Dave

                                  There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                                  ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                  hairy_hats
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                                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                                  there are a lot more than three dimensions

                                  Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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                                  • H hairy_hats

                                    You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                                    wout de zeeuw
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                                    Our product already does OpenGL. I mentioned on the MSDN forum that OpenGL 1.1 can do points, but this invoked a "I know, OpenGL..., but let's be realistic" reply...

                                    Wout

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                                    • D Dalek Dave

                                      My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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                                      Pete OHanlon
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                                      Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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                                      • H hairy_hats

                                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                                        there are a lot more than three dimensions

                                        Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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                                        Dalek Dave
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                                        Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                                        • D Dalek Dave

                                          Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                                          hairy_hats
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                                          That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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