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  • P Pete OHanlon

    But in 3D, a point consists of 3 dimensions - x/y and z.

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    Dalek Dave
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    My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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      There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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      Lost User
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      Yes, sure I know a hypercube :)

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      • W wout de zeeuw

        We have made those classes ourselves, this is not problematic. The problematic part is that there's no PointList primitive, just LineList, LineStrip, TriangleList, TriangleStrip.

        Wout

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        loveangel888
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        Is it possible to make a line with length of one instead. I don't think anyone can tell the difference.

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          Is it possible to make a line with length of one instead. I don't think anyone can tell the difference.

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          wout de zeeuw
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          You could, but very inconvenient, because the length 1 is in screen space, whilst you normally define all vertices in model space, and then position your camera etc etc. So to do the dots you'd have to mess up the whole standard rendering pipeline.

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          • W wout de zeeuw

            Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

            Wout

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            hairy_hats
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            You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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            • P Pete OHanlon

              You can, but you need to download the XNA Math Helper[^] first. Then you can use the VertexPositionColor and Vector3 classes to help you. For instance:

              Vector3 pt = new Vector3(1,1,0);
              VertexPositionColor[] vertices = new VertexPositionColor[1];
              vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush
              VertexBuffer vertexBuffer = new VertexBuffer(device, VertexPositionColor.VertexDeclaration, vertices.Length, BufferUsage.WriteOnly);
              vertexBuffer.SetData(0, vertices, 0, vertices.Length, 0);
              device.SetVertexBuffer(vertexBuffer);

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              NormDroid
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              Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

              vertices[0] = new VectorPositionColor(pt, color); // Where color is the colour of the brush

              Just love that comment...

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              • H hairy_hats

                You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                NormDroid
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                Or even WebGL so it works in a browser :rolleyes:

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                • D Dalek Dave

                  There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

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                  hairy_hats
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                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                  there are a lot more than three dimensions

                  Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    My, what a small minded race the humans are. Only three dimensions? Pfft...Do you not own a clock?

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

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                    • H hairy_hats

                      You could convert your product to OpenGL. :-D

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                      wout de zeeuw
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                      Our product already does OpenGL. I mentioned on the MSDN forum that OpenGL 1.1 can do points, but this invoked a "I know, OpenGL..., but let's be realistic" reply...

                      Wout

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                      • H hairy_hats

                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        there are a lot more than three dimensions

                        Mathematically, yes...in reality, it remains to be proved.

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                        • D Dalek Dave

                          Time? Or is that just a theory?

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                          hairy_hats
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                          That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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                            That's one more. You said "a lot more". :)

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                            Dalek Dave
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                            String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

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                              String Theory[^] And even Uncertainty is uncertain[^]. It depends on more dimensions than can be explained at the moment.

                              ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                              hairy_hats
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                              I know of String Theory, and how it has failed to produce a single concrete prediction. Give any mathematical model enough degrees of freedom and you can make it look like anything. I'm not convinced it is the answer.

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                              • D Dalek Dave

                                There is a point in time when it is not there. There is a point in time when it is. Then there is a another point in time when it ceases. If you wish to talk maths then please continue, but be aware that there are a lot more than three dimensions, and that the temporal and hyperspatial ones can do some odd things. Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult, and what about projections of future positions of known points, a clock is useful there!

                                ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave CCC Link[^] Trolls[^]

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                                soap brain
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                                Dalek Dave wrote:

                                Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                                You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                                  Dalek Dave wrote:

                                  Have you ever worked out the volume of a tesseract (aka a Hypercube)? Very difficult

                                  You're joking, right? V = s4.

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                                  Dalek Dave
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                                  V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                                    V = s4? Are you sure? Rotating Hypercube[^], not easy is it? Some information[^]. Want to try again?

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                                    soap brain
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                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Are you sure?

                                    Yes.

                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Want to try again?

                                    OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      Are you sure?

                                      Yes.

                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      Want to try again?

                                      OK. A tesseract is a cube extruded along the w-axis a distance of s. Hence, V = s4.

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                                      Dalek Dave
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                                      You are falling into the trap that I fell into. That is it's volume in n Dimensional space. To work out it's volume in n-1 dimensional space is where it gets interesting. The volume then rather different, it is larger on the inside than the outside. Exterior volume is only the same as in n-1 space, whereas the internal volume is the n analogue. However the internal volume cannot be accessed from an n dimensional viewpoint.

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                                      • P Pete OHanlon

                                        Indeed I do, but you may note that I clearly stated "in 3D". By default, Silverlight 3D exists in 4D.

                                        Forgive your enemies - it messes with their heads

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                                        Keith Barrow
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                                        He is intelligent, but not experienced. His pattern indicates two-dimensional thinking.

                                        Sort of a cross between Lawrence of Arabia and Dilbert.[^]
                                        -Or-
                                        A Dead ringer for Kate Winslett[^]

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                                        • W wout de zeeuw

                                          Can't draw a point in Silverlight 5 3D. :wtf: Feels like going back in time.

                                          Wout

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                                          Keith Barrow
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                                          A serious question: Isn't moving pixel sized triangles quicker with modern GPUs anyway? I assumed it was, still a PITA though.

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